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I believe Win 8 is going to be another Windows Vista

  1. #21


    Quote Originally Posted by JerBru View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    I must be imagining things then.

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    how did you get this task bar on win 8.

    I purchased a Acer Aspire ZS600 touch screen with win 8 installed. Trying to work with it.
    Like to get a task bar like yours and have it stay.
    Thanks in advance for any replies.
    Click Desktop in Start screen.

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  2. #22


    I think Windows 8 will be the next Vista if people don`t give it a chance.I have had Windows8, trial,as recommendeed by posters on here, on my wife`s laptop for a day and it is awful.I couldn`t find anything , and it certainly isn`t as easy to use as previous Windows, although i guess it is because we are used to it. I have since downloaded the apps for the windows7 start bar, and suddenly things are more familiar, and seem easier to use.
    I think if people perservere and add the apps you want, i think it will be ok.Just a big learning curve. Wouldn`t it be interesting if you could find someone with no previous windows experience to get them to use a version of 7 and 8, and see which they would prefer
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    While Vista's and Windows 8's "problems" are compeltely different. I think it might be accurate to say that Windows 8 could be another Vista. I.e. the perception of the OS will be so bad and the rumors and press so negative that it will languish as Vista did until MS "Fixes" it with a future update.
    You do have a point and it hopefully won't come to that. Then again, "Windows Blue" might be their answer for that possibility.

    Windows Blue is Microsoft's future low-cost OS with yearly updates | The Verge

    If that happens, we might be getting $20 or so upgrades to the OS, like Apple does for OSX. Not sure how I feel about that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin View Post
    I think Windows 8 will be the next Vista if people don`t give it a chance.I have had Windows8, trial,as recommendeed by posters on here, on my wife`s laptop for a day and it is awful.I couldn`t find anything , and it certainly isn`t as easy to use as previous Windows, although i guess it is because we are used to it. I have since downloaded the apps for the windows7 start bar, and suddenly things are more familiar, and seem easier to use.
    I think if people perservere and add the apps you want, i think it will be ok.Just a big learning curve. Wouldn`t it be interesting if you could find someone with no previous windows experience to get them to use a version of 7 and 8, and see which they would prefer
    Yep, like I said in another thread, we've had the start menu since Windows 95. Naturally, the transition to this new start screen is going to be bumpy. I believe once people get used to it, it'll be just as easy to use. I know it is for me.
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  4. #24


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    I think it will go the way of Vista for the user experience problems due to the very poor design of windows 8 - not because of hardware or driver issues. Windows 8 forces you to use many more mouse clicks to do common tasks you could do in windows 7, and makes things hard to find. Microsoft's way of forcing this scheme on people was to not give them an option by taking away the start menu. So many desktop uses don't like or need this metro thing interface that it seems to me Microsoft did a very poor job of testing the system demographically. They would have found out 3/4's of the folks out there would hate it and adjusted accordingly. Instead of proper testing, Microsoft became a dictator. Way to waste major money Microsoft!

    For windows mobile phone users/ tablet/ touchscreen ( or other devices that need to connect to/use windows in that fashion) The new features may be more welcome as they become more useful. Microsoft should have provided you a choice and let you switch between the two; metro start screen or classic desktop start menu orb depending on your preference. This is Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot. At least we can fix some of this with 3rd party apps like Classic Shell which takes you directly to the desktop on boot and gives you back your start menu orb.
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  5. #25


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    While Vista's and Windows 8's "problems" are compeltely different. I think it might be accurate to say that Windows 8 could be another Vista. I.e. the perception of the OS will be so bad and the rumors and press so negative that it will languish as Vista did until MS "Fixes" it with a future update.
    You do have a point and it hopefully won't come to that. Then again, "Windows Blue" might be their answer for that possibility.

    Windows Blue is Microsoft's future low-cost OS with yearly updates | The Verge

    If that happens, we might be getting $20 or so upgrades to the OS, like Apple does for OSX. Not sure how I feel about that.
    Ugg ! Windows Blue seems absolutely Ghastly for desktop users. I do believe we are witnessing the End of Microsoft as an empire. Hopefully React OS will get it together or Linux will evolve to play all PC games and windows apps better and Open Source will save us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denise View Post
    I have a computer business and I have already had 7 or 8 people come in cause they cannot do simple things like logging onto a wireless cause cannot find the Icon to seach for available WIreless, etc. People do not want a program they cannot use cause EVERYTHING they have know is gone. Where is the start button? Where is the control panel? Where is the wireless icon? etc etc etc.. I cannot believe your engineers think removing everything that people feel makes them feel in control out of windows is a good idea ! I forsee alot of people coming in wanting 7 put on their PC's like with vista people wanting XP. Bad job boys , bad job !
    well where to start.

    the start screen is the start menu, like it or lump it really. or just use classic shell.
    wireless is where it always was.
    the control panel hasn't moved....on the start screen start typing...cont more than enough to find control panel...you could just type C and it will come up, or the long way....desktop win E shortcut computer tabby the clicky control panel in the ribbon at the top.

    kind of unjustified hate towards windows 8 really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin View Post
    I think Windows 8 will be the next Vista if people don`t give it a chance.I have had Windows8, trial,as recommendeed by posters on here, on my wife`s laptop for a day and it is awful.I couldn`t find anything , and it certainly isn`t as easy to use as previous Windows, although i guess it is because we are used to it. I have since downloaded the apps for the windows7 start bar, and suddenly things are more familiar, and seem easier to use.
    I think if people perservere and add the apps you want, i think it will be ok.Just a big learning curve. Wouldn`t it be interesting if you could find someone with no previous windows experience to get them to use a version of 7 and 8, and see which they would prefer
    a day?

    give it a chance at least, i've been messing around with the start screen since the dev preview and frankly i think it's boring and out of date as a result.

    my biggest issue is that it hasn't improved since the early beta versions.

    as to it being another vista...that was not microsofts fault, if people didn't try to run that o/s on frankly absurdly bad computers then it would have been better received, all the major complaints i ever dealt with about vista were solved by using a new and better computer.

    dell/hp/acer pick one kept shipping vista computers with low end hardware insufficent ram and so forth, is that an o/s fault or manufacturers cheaping out on the customers?

    i ran vista from launch to windows 7 release with 8gb ram a quad core cpu and a decent gpu, had no crashes faults or slow down of any kind that i didn't cause myself. either a user fault or crap pc was the problem with vista.
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  8. #28


    Quote Originally Posted by Denise View Post
    I have a computer business and I have already had 7 or 8 people come in cause they cannot do simple things like logging onto a wireless cause cannot find the Icon to seach for available WIreless, etc. People do not want a program they cannot use cause EVERYTHING they have know is gone. Where is the start button? Where is the control panel? Where is the wireless icon? etc etc etc.. I cannot believe your engineers think removing everything that people feel makes them feel in control out of windows is a good idea ! I forsee alot of people coming in wanting 7 put on their PC's like with vista people wanting XP. Bad job boys , bad job !
    This video is very instructive as to why you are wrong.
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by IPlayFair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Denise View Post
    I have a computer business and I have already had 7 or 8 people come in cause they cannot do simple things like logging onto a wireless cause cannot find the Icon to seach for available WIreless, etc. People do not want a program they cannot use cause EVERYTHING they have know is gone. Where is the start button? Where is the control panel? Where is the wireless icon? etc etc etc.. I cannot believe your engineers think removing everything that people feel makes them feel in control out of windows is a good idea ! I forsee alot of people coming in wanting 7 put on their PC's like with vista people wanting XP. Bad job boys , bad job !
    This video is very instructive as to why you are wrong.
    What video? That just takes me to the top of the forum.
    And your system info says you're running OSX. Have you used Windows 8?
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  10. #30


    While it's certainly POSSIBLE for Win8 to fail in a manner similar to Vista, I think the likelyhood of that is vastly reduced over Vista.

    Why?

    For one, although there's a lot of complaining about the new UI, there are also a LOT of folks using smart phones and tablets that WANT such a UI on their PC. Vista didn't have a customer base already accustomed to its UI changes; Win8 does.

    As to drivers, while folks keep complaining about NOT having Win8 drivers for their hardware, in many cases, they can simply install the Win7 drivers and those will work. The same was NOT true with Vista as it came with new video and audio driver models -- which appeared to catch some hardware vendors by surprise as, in the early days, only Beta driver versions were available.

    As to hardware, I don't think we're going to see the "Vista capable" vs. "Vista compatible" confusion that happened before -- when MS allegedly let Intel sell Vista machines that could NOT run Aero to prevent them losing major money on an existing (915GM) chipset. The PCs you buy today with Win8 on them "just work" -- so you're not going to get the wailing and gnashing of teeth from folks who felt "cheated" by their new PC purchase.

    As to UI changes -- unlike with Vista, MS allows you to go "back" to the UI of the previous OS version. Vista had no such option (that I recall -- it's been a while!) to return to the XP "desktop". So, even if you detest the Modern interface, you're not locked into using it.

    So, no, I do not think Win8 is likely to be another Vista.
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