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I believe Win 8 is going to be another Windows Vista

  1. #271


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    Win 8 Pro 64bit


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by csand View Post
    Server 8 is almost as bad but slightly more bearable, but hell if I'd want to drop that on some poor unsuspecting business >.<
    There is no such thing as server 8. Do you mean server 2012?
    Semantics.

    Yes I meant 2012. I dunno why but I always call it server 8, heh.

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  2. #272


    Server 2012 is a good product. The new interactive server manager is great. SMB3 is good. Super fast chkdsk and no need to restart for doing c drive.
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  3. #273


    Posts : 36
    Win 8 Pro 64bit


    In your opinion

    After using it a fair amount, I think I will wait for awhile before I start putting it to any good use. Not convinced yet.
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  4. #274


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    Personally, I think there are a whole lot of Tech People who should be pretty ashamed of themselves for how they are treating Win8.
    If we are to be perfectly honest, the underlying OS is extremely solid. Yet, all over, not just here, Win8 get's put down for what???

    It's navigation. ,, The Start Screen.... Really? the comments from all over the web by real tech people are just down right redcilous.

    It's called the worst OS ever produced. Wouldn't subject my enemies to it.

    I mean that really is about as ridiculous a statement from ANY Techy as a stripper who says she doesn't take 20's.

    Many complained about the ribbon in Office 2007, yet as people learned how to use it, it is better.
    Yet, what did techies do? Yep, they put the 2003 GUI on it and called it a day.

    I mean,, seriously, let's be honest, using ClassicShell is not a stretch, nor is it difficult, if you don't like the new start screen and lack of start button.

    Going to the lengths people are just to ridicule and put down Win8 over navigation is pretty ridiculous at best.

    The Charms bar is not that bad or difficult, everything a normal person needs is there and more.
    It's just different, and no, it doesn't take any more time to use it than it does to use an actual start button.

    Are there issues with win8,, sure, but let's be honest again,, where are the drivers for the new OS? 3rd parties didn't seem to (AGAIN) put any effort or time into R&D for drivers at release, rather they wait and see. Don't blame the OS (AGAIN) for the issues of the 3rd parties.

    Let me add this last bit of note....
    If you don't like the Apps in the start screen or from the store, you are not obligated to use them.
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  5. #275


    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Personally, I think there are a whole lot of Tech People who should be pretty ashamed of themselves for how they are treating Win8.
    If we are to be perfectly honest, the underlying OS is extremely solid. Yet, all over, not just here, Win8 get's put down for what???

    It's navigation. ,, The Start Screen.... Really? the comments from all over the web by real tech people are just down right redcilous.

    It's called the worst OS ever produced. Wouldn't subject my enemies to it.

    I mean that really is about as ridiculous a statement from ANY Techy as a stripper who says she doesn't take 20's.

    Many complained about the ribbon in Office 2007, yet as people learned how to use it, it is better.
    Yet, what did techies do? Yep, they put the 2003 GUI on it and called it a day.

    I mean,, seriously, let's be honest, using ClassicShell is not a stretch, nor is it difficult, if you don't like the new start screen and lack of start button.

    Going to the lengths people are just to ridicule and put down Win8 over navigation is pretty ridiculous at best.

    The Charms bar is not that bad or difficult, everything a normal person needs is there and more.
    It's just different, and no, it doesn't take any more time to use it than it does to use an actual start button.

    Are there issues with win8,, sure, but let's be honest again,, where are the drivers for the new OS? 3rd parties didn't seem to (AGAIN) put any effort or time into R&D for drivers at release, rather they wait and see. Don't blame the OS (AGAIN) for the issues of the 3rd parties.

    Let me add this last bit of note....
    If you don't like the Apps in the start screen or from the store, you are not obligated to use them.
    It is Microsoft that should be ashamed not the customer base and here is an article for you to read.

    Windows 8
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  6. #276


    Tepid: You know you are dangerously close to treason and heresy for posting sane, well balanced, favorable opinions of Windows 8 -- especially in a somewhat "Tech People" saturated environment. But, for what it's worth, I agree with you 100%.
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  7. #277


    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Personally, I think there are a whole lot of Tech People who should be pretty ashamed of themselves for how they are treating Win8.
    If we are to be perfectly honest, the underlying OS is extremely solid. Yet, all over, not just here, Win8 get's put down for what???

    It's navigation. ,, The Start Screen.... Really? the comments from all over the web by real tech people are just down right redcilous.

    It's called the worst OS ever produced. Wouldn't subject my enemies to it.

    I mean that really is about as ridiculous a statement from ANY Techy as a stripper who says she doesn't take 20's.

    Many complained about the ribbon in Office 2007, yet as people learned how to use it, it is better.
    Yet, what did techies do? Yep, they put the 2003 GUI on it and called it a day.

    I mean,, seriously, let's be honest, using ClassicShell is not a stretch, nor is it difficult, if you don't like the new start screen and lack of start button.

    Going to the lengths people are just to ridicule and put down Win8 over navigation is pretty ridiculous at best.

    The Charms bar is not that bad or difficult, everything a normal person needs is there and more.
    It's just different, and no, it doesn't take any more time to use it than it does to use an actual start button.

    Are there issues with win8,, sure, but let's be honest again,, where are the drivers for the new OS? 3rd parties didn't seem to (AGAIN) put any effort or time into R&D for drivers at release, rather they wait and see. Don't blame the OS (AGAIN) for the issues of the 3rd parties.

    Let me add this last bit of note....
    If you don't like the Apps in the start screen or from the store, you are not obligated to use them.
    It is Microsoft that should be ashamed not the customer base and here is an article for you to read.

    Windows 8
    I have noticed that a lot of people have shored up their opinion with this article. I have yet found any data on how this study was conducted. Perhaps someone can point me to a source of such.

    If there's one thing common amongst us, whether liking or disliking, it's the fact that 8 is quite a change from previous OSs. No doubt about it. It's a bit more of a learning curve, but not as much as some make it out to be.

    If it's that they had "cold" tested 8 without candidates reading help files or verbally instructing candidates some of the changes made, then to me, it is a farce. It's not reasonably scientific to me. A reasonable explanation of Start Screen instead of the Start Menu, the importance of the four hot corners for navigation, use of Charms bars, and showing that the familiar classic desktop still exists as a portal of the new Modern UI would be all that it takes just for starters.

    It would be like giving an array of needed parts to build a V8 engine to someone who comprehends how that engine is designed and how it works, but no instructions on how to assemble it. Yes, sooner or later one could assemble the engine knowing the design and concept, but it would be a lot faster and less frustrating with instructions. If it be that kind of "cold" build-the-engine test, then it is absolutely ludicrous IMO.
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  8. #278


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    Lack of Multiple Windows = Memory Overload for Complex Tasks

    Summary: Hidden features, reduced discoverability, cognitive overhead from dual environments, and reduced power from a single-window UI and low information density. Too bad.
    Absolute BS, and this is what I am talking about techies should be ashamed of. They absolutely make no distinction between WinRT or Win8Pro in that article, they lump Win8 as a whole. Which nullifies the entire article as biased, no matter what they are trying to say.

    And when layman people read that one part of the article, they are instantly turned away.

    But I forget, we live in an uneducated/under-educated, iMe/Droid (sheople) society.


    I admit, MS made mis-steps with the GUI, but it's not the end of all that is in Win8. And the less educated (non-techies) rely on us techies to set the record straight. Yet, the majority of us are not and we are providing flat out false information (lying) or not giving a well rounded complete picture of the overall capabilities without bias for the gui. And that IS SHAMEFUL for a Techy.

    I can talk about the differences between iPad and Android cause I have seen them. They are toys, as is WinRT, they are specific driven OS's with limited functionality. Win8 Pro on the other hand, Smokes them all in the capabilities of what it provides, and most importantly, in a tablet form with a proper CPU, Graphics and Memory. Surface Pro, at this time provides far more than Any iPad or Android device combined, heck if we are to be honest, despite the lack of apps, WinRT is far better than those other 2.
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  9. #279


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Training != Intuition


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    If it's that they had "cold" tested 8 without candidates reading help files or verbally instructing candidates some of the changes made, then to me, it is a farce. It's not reasonably scientific to me. A reasonable explanation of Start Screen instead of the Start Menu, the importance of the four hot corners for navigation, use of Charms bars, and showing that the familiar classic desktop still exists as a portal of the new Modern UI would be all that it takes just for starters.
    Training != Intuition

    If W8 was "Intuitive" people would need to be trained (e.g. how to look for and find invisible hotspots).
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  10. #280


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there

    Happy Xmas everyone.

    Just posting this while waiting for kettle to boil and before making Xmas breakfast.

    Windows 8 / Windows 7 --- as the Brits say "Horses for courses".

    Just before Xmas I was in a computer store (normally I HATE visiting ANY STORES - computer or otherwise --shopping is one activity I positively HATE with a passion as typical Males do !!) and it was quite full of loads of people buying Windows 8 installed laptops --who says tablets are killing laptop sales- and most reactions from what I could hear were overwhelmingly positive.

    Joe Public actually doesn't think Windows 8 is too horrible in spite of the bad press it appears to be getting from technical areas.

    What surprised me was how empty the "Fruit Company" stands were -- almost nobody was buying apple laptops but the cheaper end of the laptop market was extremely busy with adequately specced laptops (not Netbooks BTW) just flying off the shelves.

    The tablet section wasn't as busy as I thought it would be either.

    I know you can't apply rigorous statistical analysis to the observations seen in one store - even if it was a large one -- but I get the impression that for a lot of people Windows 8 will be just fine --while you can always install Windows 7 if you don't like it or prefer to use the traditional Windows interface.

    The latest HP computer which operates also as a tablet (can't remember the name) also seems to be very very popular too.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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