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I believe Win 8 is going to be another Windows Vista

  1. #241


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    The learning curve for Windows 8 is actually quite small. I have several relatives, including one who's never owned a computer before, who are able to pick it up quickly and do all of the tasks they wish.

    Again, you keep referencing these limitations, but you have yet to explain what limitations you are talking about. You've already suggested that you can only run one app at a time, which isn't true. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...if you don't like the Tiled UI or the "apps" then don't use them. It's a simple as that. I could go an entire day of using my ultrabook without every once seeing the Tiled UI. If I want to, or use some of the apps (which there are plenty I've found useful or entertaining), they're a button press away. I can install any and all programs I need to use as well, such as my web dev stuff, Office, etc., and use them in a standard desktop environment that we've had for years. That's far from what I'd call "limiting".

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  2. #242


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
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    Listen. I agree, Windows 8 is not perfect. And there are some missteps, but over all, they are not the end of the world.
    Yes, Apps should run like normal Desktop Software and have re-sizable windows to provide true Multi-Tasking abilities.

    Had they done that, i believe that Windows 8 would be an Android/Apple Killer. That's true.

    But as with Vista, MS are taking a new approach to things. This is not a bad thing.
    Live Tiles are great. Among other things.

    I think too many people take the absolute Extreme side of things.

    Instead of looking at a lot of the positives, they are just writing everything off all because they don't like the GUI,, that's well......

    MS doens't want to lose the future to the likes of Apple and Android. So they are trying aomething new,, I think it's a great direction that needs quite a bit of tweaking. I think we will see those get fixed.
    No they are alienating at least 30 to 40% of there current installed base with a ui made for TOYS.
    I think I know -> that you know -> that they know that -> that "at least 30 to 40% of there current installed base" will stick to 7, some other prior OS, or upgrade to 7 while they introduce this needed "market-demanding transitional" OS. A business plan involves a time line. It takes time for transition. I'm quite sure they have a 9 that they're already working on to appease that 30 to 40%.

    Has anyone thought about what you will say us "fanbois" when we get to NineForums? Or better yet -> What we will say to you?
    If the din gets any louder I do not think there will be a Windows 9.
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    of course their will be a windows 9, how it looks and functions may depend on certain other movements in the hardware industry though, like a bigger uptake in touchscreen for one.

    and their are the big glass windows that act as screens and such being demo'd, i think a great deal of that type of tech will be what any future o/s will depend on for some of it's inovations.
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  4. #244


    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
    The learning curve for Windows 8 is actually quite small. I have several relatives, including one who's never owned a computer before, who are able to pick it up quickly and do all of the tasks they wish.

    Again, you keep referencing these limitations, but you have yet to explain what limitations you are talking about. You've already suggested that you can only run one app at a time, which isn't true. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...if you don't like the Tiled UI or the "apps" then don't use them. It's a simple as that. I could go an entire day of using my ultrabook without every once seeing the Tiled UI. If I want to, or use some of the apps (which there are plenty I've found useful or entertaining), they're a button press away. I can install any and all programs I need to use as well, such as my web dev stuff, Office, etc., and use them in a standard desktop environment that we've had for years. That's far from what I'd call "limiting".
    The desktop is an X86 operating system and is able to multitask. The metro operating system or windows rt is in a VM on your machine and is unable to multitask more than half screen try running 3 metro apps and display at the same time not windowed. APPS are designed for full screen only. That is the limiting factor in metro, does not belong on a X86 operating system.
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  5. #245


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
    The learning curve for Windows 8 is actually quite small. I have several relatives, including one who's never owned a computer before, who are able to pick it up quickly and do all of the tasks they wish.

    Again, you keep referencing these limitations, but you have yet to explain what limitations you are talking about. You've already suggested that you can only run one app at a time, which isn't true. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...if you don't like the Tiled UI or the "apps" then don't use them. It's a simple as that. I could go an entire day of using my ultrabook without every once seeing the Tiled UI. If I want to, or use some of the apps (which there are plenty I've found useful or entertaining), they're a button press away. I can install any and all programs I need to use as well, such as my web dev stuff, Office, etc., and use them in a standard desktop environment that we've had for years. That's far from what I'd call "limiting".
    Since few ever seem to read my previous posts, where I've listed the issues quite clearly, I've decided to keep a separate copy so that I can spoon feed each and every objector.

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    What are the limitations of Windows 8 start screen and apps?

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    I'm well aware are that you can get third party software that can completely eliminate the Windows 8 start menu if you want to do so, but my criticisms are based on what Microsoft has provided, not software hacks that others have created to address an ever increasing demand for something better.

    Start screen:

    Most programs, the majority actually, still open in the desktop, yet every time that one wishes to open another program, you have to leave the desktop to get to the menu and find whatever you're looking for. The Windows 7 option of a cascading menu system and taskbar shortcuts is far more practical and efficient to use; it's there all the time, in front of you.

    That system also gives comfort to traditional users who, given the option, clearly want the desktop as their first port of call on their PC. If that option had been offered, there would be few complaints and users could have learned the Windows start menu and apps in their own time. While the start menu is not difficult to use, it's fundamentally pointless on a desktop and simply wastes real estate and creates additional moves.

    Apps:

    Apps are only able to be opened at full screen. You can't re-size, move about, or work on an open app at the size/location that you choose to suit your needs. Nor can you create an app start menu, or alternative start menu, that contains your favourite apps re-sized and located how you want, so that when you start your PC, you can have your most used apps at the ready.

    Yes, I know that you can shuffle the icons about into new groups, but they are still nothing more than a link and limited to the existing sizing options. Yes, you can have two apps open side by side; however, they still take up the full screen. The apps are designed to be used on mobile phones as the base size, itís a one hat fits all philosophy. Desktop users expect and deserve more given their working environment and for this not to be available shows lack of forethought, or perhaps lack of interest in desktop users and that includes all notebook, laptop and even tablet users (I'm a tablet users that uses the tablet for business related work).
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  6. #246


    The Metro Start Screen looks silly on a PC. Period. It just gives you agigantic cellphone screen... with the same limitation as on a cellphone, just oversized.
    It's too lame to be used on a powerful machine.
    W8 may not be that bad, but time will show that Metro-for-PC will be a flop. I don't know who is going to use mobile phone apps on a computer, seriousely. Doesn't make any sens when you have computer apps already. This is not serious-job oriented.
    I hope that MS is working on a version of Windows a little bit less Disney-Land.
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    metro for pc wouldn't be a flop though...it's the concept of actual phone apps on the pc that will do the most harm.

    all microsoft need to do is offer an update for pc users that gives them the flexibility they need that the current metro doesn't offer, options to omit apps written for phones from the pc store search and tiny quality of life stuff like that.

    maybe i'm so used to metro it feels normal these days, even with the bits i want missing from it
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  8. #248


    Quote Originally Posted by gazz9496 View Post
    of course their will be a windows 9, how it looks and functions may depend on certain other movements in the hardware industry though, like a bigger uptake in touchscreen for one.

    and their are the big glass windows that act as screens and such being demo'd, i think a great deal of that type of tech will be what any future o/s will depend on for some of it's inovations.
    Yes there will be a Windows 9 but after the bad taste that Microsoft is leaving in millions of users will they buy it?
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  9. #249


    Philadelphia
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    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I'm well aware are that you can get third party software that can completely eliminate the Windows 8 start menu if you want to do so, but my criticisms are based on what Microsoft has provided, not software hacks that others have created to address an ever increasing demand for something better.
    But that's the point I've been trying to make. If we're going to debate a topic...debate what is available. It would have been much better if the option for a full Start Menu was included...but it isn't. It would be incredibly closed-minded to ignore Windows 8 for that reason alone. Once you restore that functionality, even without 3rd party installed software using one of the tutorials here, you eliminate the gripes. I only use the Tiled UI for what amounts to a screen saver, and I've removed all the default tiles, replacing them with apps I feel are useful to me. When I'm actually using the computer, I'm using a standard desktop environment, running whatever and however many programs I want. That's how it is, and that's what should be discussed. Yes, we all agree that functionality should have shipped by default, but it didn't. We've all gotten past that point, and that's why we're posting here...because we're users of Windows 8.
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  10. #250


    Deacon, I have my Win8 setup basically the same as yours. I have my desktop shortcuts and a few of the Tiles I use, like Netflix for example. I find no problems with going from one environment to the other. I have Classic shell installed but I rarely use it. I made a few shortcuts, including one to here and have them pinned to the start menu. Getting around is no problem.
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