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I believe Win 8 is going to be another Windows Vista

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! You win!! [Why?] is the $One Million Dollar$ winner question today!! Tell you what...I'll trade you [Why?] for what's behind OS #9. How do you like that? Is it a deal?
    Why would Microsoft wait until Windows 9 to introduce such basic and desirable features? You only get one chance to make a first impression and Windows 8 should have slam dunked the opposition with this one, yet they apparently hesitated.
    The overall big picture.....

    It seems to me that you and others ask a lot of why. Why did they do it this way and not that way (?) when it comes to 8? I asked the same when learning it.

    IMO, MS has a business plan. By all means they are a successful corporation. They are not stupid. A little aggressive perhaps, as most corporations might get to be at times, but not stupid. They are in the business of producing & selling OSs, as they have always have been, multiple other software products, some peripherals, xBox (hardware & gaming software), a Store, and now the Surfaces. The Pad market is their main market target right now as others have been and winning at I may add. 8 is written mainly for the touch pad to accomplish this market goal.

    IMO, MS has produced a good "transitional" OS to attempt to appease all. It's the best of both worlds as I see it. A great touch UI along with the traditional Win32 desktop to run legacy programs. Two different users to use one OS. Another aim is for it to run across all devices. The desktop PC, the pad, and phone. Not an easy task by all means. I think their logic in this is that eventually it will become familiar to the user no matter which device one is using. A "transitional" learning process so to speak.

    As I stated -> I asked a lot of why at start while focusing on learning 8. Mind you that I pretty much liked 8 off the bat so far as looks and flow. After installing, joining this forum and reading posts, reading posted article leads, trying to help others the best I can, and learning 8 so far as to why they produced 8 the way they did for the past six months, I began to see the overall big picture.

    Yes. One is "forced" to use the Start Screen instead of the Start Menu. Some may think it to be aggressive on MS's part, but I don't see it that way. I think the Start Screen as being ingenious. "The house built out of the internet" giving updated personal information at a glance via live tiles. There also to launch Modern apps or Win32 legacy programs -> The best of both worlds.

    I admit and can see that the All Apps screen may not fit all users so as it to be a hierarchical problem. I think that may be the biggest flaw of 8 that needs to be addressed. Please keep in mind that the All Apps screen is actually the replacement of the Start Menu, not the Start Screen.

    I obviously don't have all the answers, but I applaud MS for "reimagining" themselves and taking aim at a market that is more and more demanding touch navigation. I think it to be the "present future". I absolutely have no problem using it with keyboard and mouse on a desktop tower PC without any touch peripherals, but that's me.

    Anyone has the right to post demanding requests, but I don't think you'll get your way, for I believe the Start Screen along with All Apps is here to stay. I don't think they'll pump more money into the popular OS 7 with a SP2 either, for they are spending it on what they envision to be the future of computing. I think they know that most businesses will upgrade to 7, so they'll win at that as well.

    In closing. [Why?] is the $one million dollar$ question in life. It may all be a matter of perception I guess.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeve420 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gazz9496 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono View Post
    Well, they may change things up with Blue, which will be out well before a 9, I assume.
    he was sold easily on the rest of the o/s but not metro's lack of multiscreen support, and since i have these discussions here with all of you i knew how it would turn out.

    sold him windows 7 with his windows 8 loaded laptop.
    Lack of multi screen support!!! Are you kidding me!! Here you go, I run dual monitors here is how it handles them. Looks a lot like W7 to me:

    These are me running several Programs over the two monitors, One is always a desktop and the other is the desktop "app"






    What you're displaying here are not native 'Modern' apps, but desktop programs. Yes, I can do that as well, when I'm running the desktop, but you can't do that with any Modern app. Try opening two or more Modern apps at the same time and display them like you have here, you can't.
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    Your right I can't, but if I need to do that I will use desktop programs. I have no "apps" that I would need open at the same time. I honestly can't even think of a need to use multiple "apps". if I need my e-mail and weather full screen on two monitors, I have a browser for that. If I need multiple files open,I have file explorer.

    And as I showed in the second set of pics, I can run multiple apps and switch between them.

    I personally view the "apps" as quick info type things, not productivity style. for productivity, I use programs on the desktop. If I want to know the weather I have an "app" for that. listen to music "app", mail check "app" etc. But if I need to do work I go to the desktop and use full blown programs....



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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    The overall big picture...
    ...through rose tinted glasses.

    Microsoft has made lots of mistakes in its time, just like Apple and any large corporation, none of them are infallible. There is no doubt that the Modern interface is half baked through lack of flexibility of the Modern interface in a desktop environment.

    You and others clearly like the change, but simply because you like it, doesn’t mean that everyone should like it. I notice that you keep defending Windows 8 from any criticism, but never address legitimate points that people raise, always preferring to justify what Microsoft has done. This sounds exactly like Apple's approach for recent failures, until they had to call Mea Culpa.

    If Microsoft does the same, then Windows 8, and anything following, is going to suffer because of the sour taste left in people's mouths. The people here are the vocal minority, don't lose sight of the silent majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geeve420 View Post
    Your right I can't, but if I need to do that I will use desktop programs. I have no "apps" that I would need open at the same time. I honestly can't even think of a need to use multiple "apps". if I need my e-mail and weather full screen on two monitors, I have a browser for that. If I need multiple files open,I have file explorer.

    And as I showed in the second set of pics, I can run multiple apps and switch between them.

    I personally view the "apps" as quick info type things, not productivity style. for productivity, I use programs. If I want to know the weather I have an "app" for that. listen to music "app", mail check "app" etc. But if I need to do work I go to the desktop and use full blown programs....

    Geeve
    Personally, I would like to have access to a number of apps on one screen, while doing other things on the other. I would also like to be able to move and size those apps to suit my preferences. The point is, the Modern interface is what Microsoft wants everyone to use, not the desktop, but it doesn't do much at all.

    It becomes immediately obvious that you can only use the Modern interface for singular tasks, or as a menu for desktop programs. Even as a social tool, the Modern interface is poor, because there is no flexibility in the visual display and functional usage, it becomes nothing more than a huge mobile phone screen. As a menu for desktop programs, it's utterly pointless, as the traditional start button, screen and taskbar shortcuts serve that role far better.

    The current iteration of the Modern interface is a 'master' of nothing and not even a 'Jack of all trades'.
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    I see what your saying, and I could care less how MS wants me to use it, I will use the desktop and Modern screen how I want and how it fits my work flow. I guess it boils down to what you and I personally see the use for the Modern screen is. I see it more for quick use things and info, and a full screen start orb, where as you don't. Just a different view on it I guess.

    I like it, you don't......que sera sera

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeve420 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gazz9496 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono View Post
    Well, they may change things up with Blue, which will be out well before a 9, I assume.
    he was sold easily on the rest of the o/s but not metro's lack of multiscreen support, and since i have these discussions here with all of you i knew how it would turn out.

    sold him windows 7 with his windows 8 loaded laptop.
    Lack of multi screen support!!! Are you kidding me!! Here you go, I run dual monitors here is how it handles them. Looks a lot like W7 to me:

    These are me running several Programs over the two monitors, One is always a desktop and the other is the desktop "app"







    Here is how it handles multiple "apps" from Metro and how you can easily switch between them using the upper left hot corner, all while another program runs on the constant desktop side. That hot corner works from both the Metro screen and the desktop! (I took these two with my camera as the screenshot keys overrode the menu and it would disappear before taking the shot)





    I hear you dude i really do, but i wasn't talking to some chump that didn't know a thing about computers, he was a software developer....so when i'm talking to those types i tread very carefully.

    he had a nokia lumia with windows on it so it's not like he wasn't familiar with it either.

    he'd used the beta versions and found the apps were more of a hindrance for the workplace....his words not mine...and i don't disagree with him, i really don't think windows 8 will ever be used effectivly in the workplace.

    his complaint wasn't about the desktop apps either but the metro apps.

    should have seen his face when i said ''so have you ever considered buying an apple'' i'd get banned from this forum if i were to repeat what he said.

    i'm gonna make a sig later pointing out that anytime i reference windows 8 and crap multiscreen support i'm referring to metro.....because it simply doesn't have any support for it.
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    That's fine. All I'm trying to point out is that it could have been much, much, better and a huge opportunity has been lost to Microsoft to do things differently on the desktop. Another example comes to mind. Why can't you put the Modern interface as a panel to one side of the screen and have apps open next to it or on another screen, or both? Why can't the 'menu' be visible all the time? Or is all flexibility going to be restricted because this is eventually going to be an all-encompassing OS, driven by the lowest common denominator, the mobile phone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    That's fine. All I'm trying to point out is that it could have been much, much, better and a huge opportunity has been lost to Microsoft to do things differently on the desktop. Another example comes to mind. Why can't you put the Modern interface as a panel to one side of the screen and have apps open next to it or on another screen, or both? Why can't the 'menu' be visible all the time? Or is all flexibility going to be restricted because this is eventually going to be an all-encompassing OS, driven by the lowest common denominator, the mobile phone?
    honestly i'm not sure, part of the reason behind it may be that metro apps and their desktop counterparts like internet explorer aren't actually linked in any way.

    metro is essentially an add on in how it acts, it's like a VM on your computer at the moment and while it has access to all the pc's functions it doesn't integrate with them all.
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    Anyone remember VANILLA Flavoured COCA COLA? Coca Cola spent a lot of money on advertisements and market research and decided that Coca Cola needs to have a new flavour. Guess what; IT WAS A FLOP! People still prefer the OLD Coke flavour.

    All that MS had to do was reinstate the options it removed (classic start menu) in Win 7. Win 8 offers nothing of value to desktop users. Anything it offers could easily be incorporated into win7 with a SP.

    MS has lost interest in the desktop market and wants to be world leader in the smartphone and tablet market.

    I have yet to meet personally anyone who likes METRO and RIBBON.

    Win8 looks like it was designed by FISHER PRICE!
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