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I believe Win 8 is going to be another Windows Vista

  1. #171


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Tell you what, If you can *clearly* explain why a keyboard and mouse do not work with Windows 8, or even why a keyboard and mouse do not work as well as they used to in Windows 7, then I won't ever post another word on this topic. How about it?
    So you really think that the design of UI elements on a typical touch-based interface is not driven by the fact that it's designed for imprecise means of input (the finger) and relatively small screen sizes? You really think that a UI that is optimal for that kind of constraints can also be optimal at the same time without modification whatsoever for a precision based input device such as a mouse and large screens? If that's the case, you really are beyond help.

    It's been explained a thousand times, you just couldn't care less. Which is fine, by the way. Like I said, perhaps you don't need more than a phone UI upscaled to a huge monitor. Which is absurd is that you keep denying that that kind of UI is simply suboptimal in such an environment.

    No, it's that this "simple fact" CAN'T be explained. By the way, there are in fact numerous different vehicle control mechanisms. Ever driven a bobcat? No steering wheel in sight. Ever driven a car with shift paddles? The reason cars come with steering wheels and pedals is because they are for a very specific kind of drive train, which is a two wheeled steering system. If you go to a 4 wheeled steering system (like a bobcat) then a single wheel no longer makes sense.
    That's great! You've just described for yourself what "right tool for the job" means. That's why I have nothing against touch-based user interfaces on devices designed and meant for touch, such as phones and tablets.

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  2. #172


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by mcnulty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Tell you what, If you can *clearly* explain why a keyboard and mouse do not work with Windows 8, or even why a keyboard and mouse do not work as well as they used to in Windows 7, then I won't ever post another word on this topic. How about it?
    So you really think that the design of UI elements on a typical touch-based interface is not driven by the fact that it's designed for imprecise means of input (the finger) and relatively small screen sizes? You really think that a UI that is optimal for that kind of constraints can also be optimal at the same time without modification whatsoever for a precision based input device such as a mouse and large screens? If that's the case, you really are beyond help.
    That's not an explanation. Again, because it's touch friendly doesn't mean it's keyboard and mouse unfriendly. I'm not asking you to explain why it's friendly for touch. I'm asking you to explain why it's unfriendly to keyboard and mouse. Your answer seems to be "Because it is". That's not good enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by mcnulty View Post
    It's been explained a thousand times, you just couldn't care less.
    No, it hasn't. If it has, then please point me to one of these "thousand" explanations. Can't do that either? I'm sensing a pattern here.

    The size of the monitor is irrelevant. Windows 8 is DPI aware. If you put it on a bigger screen, the screen elements stay the same size, you just get more of them. This is the way it should be. And that has nothing to do with a keyboard or mouse.
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  3. #173


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    Win 8.1 Pro


    I agree here with Mystere. The system works just find with a keyboard and mouse.
    There is no constraints in using such. Seriously, there isn't. Scrolling works as does click and hold.
    So I would ask the same question, how specifically does it not work with keyboard/mouse?
    I haven't found any yet.

    And Mystere is right about the DPI awareness. Different resolutions, not necessarily screen size makes the difference in how many rows of tiles there are. I do wish that this could be modified, maybe Win Blue will give some more modification control.
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  4. #174


    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    I agree here with Mystere. The system works just find with a keyboard and mouse.
    There is no constraints in using such. Seriously, there isn't. Scrolling works as does click and hold.
    So I would ask the same question, how specifically does it not worker with keyboard/mouse?
    I haven't found any yet.

    And Mystere is right about the DPI awareness. Different resolutions, not necessarily screen size makes the difference in how many rows of tiles there are. I do wish that this could be modified, maybe Win Blue will give some more modification control.
    I agree also. Keyboard and mouse work just as in past OSs. WinKey opens the Start Screen just as the Start Menu. Press again -> Gone. There are some added keyboard shortcuts created specifically for 8 to get to menus and charms.

    I too wish I could shrink the tiles so as to fit the whole Start Screen onto my seventeen-inch monitor instead of scrolling. But then scrolling works with the mouse same as in the Start Menu. All arrow keys, page up or down keys, End key, and Home key all work well within the Start Screen also.
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  5. #175


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    Quote Originally Posted by mcnulty View Post

    No, it hasn't. If it has, then please point me to one of these "thousand" explanations. Can't do that either? I'm sensing a pattern here.

    .
    Yes, i know what you mean Mystere.I had exactly the same problem with getting someone to point to quotes to prove what was being said, and all i got was quotes back, where the words were being changed from the original quote as fact, and never once was the person able to back up where the original posts were to be able to back up their argument.Plus the person started making things up and slandering the person with lies. So yes, i am sensing a pattern here also.
    It is rather annoying isn`t it?
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  6. #176


    Posts : 13
    Win8 Pro 64bit


    "Let's not BICKER and ARGUE about who killed who- ​This is supposed to be a HAPPY occasion!"
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  7. #177


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    +1.

    Seems to me a perfectly reasonable statement - and perfectly obvious what the OP meant.

    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
    Absolute truth. Anyone who's calling Windows 8 the next Vista has no idea what they are speaking about. Vista's issue was that hardware OEMs weren't up to snuff. If you bought a new computer at VIsta's release without Nvidia drivers and only 512 MB of memory, it would appear that Vista was awful. However, those who understand computers, especially someone running a repair shop, should know the difference between poor OEM support and a typical learning curve.
    While Vista's and Windows 8's "problems" are compeltely different. I think it might be accurate to say that Windows 8 could be another Vista. I.e. the perception of the OS will be so bad and the rumors and press so negative that it will languish as Vista did until MS "Fixes" it with a future update.
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  8. #178


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    pro 64bit wmc


    Windows 8 will be a disaster much worse than Vista. I will be "downgrading" many users to Windows 7. Thanks for the business.
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  9. #179


    Posts : 13
    Win8 Pro 64bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Whiznot View Post
    Windows 8 will be a disaster much worse than Vista. I will be "downgrading" many users to Windows 7. Thanks for the business.
    I was SO ready to downgrade my first day or two with Win8. Now, a week or two later, I love it! Every day I find new features that makes switching back to Windows 7 seem like a loss of functionality.
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  10. #180


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    Win 7 / Win 8


    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Jangles View Post
    I was SO ready to downgrade my first day or two with Win8. Now, a week or two later, I love it! Every day I find new features that makes switching back to Windows 7 seem like a loss of functionality.
    Could you list some of the new features you have found most useful?
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