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I believe Win 8 is going to be another Windows Vista

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    Yeah, we really should have embraced Microsoft Bob when it came out. If it weren't for all those backward, old Windows users, that product would have been a huge success. Stupid customers. I don't know why Microsoft even wastes their innovative genius on them in the first place. Good thing for Apple that they were smart enough not to fall into that trap with their iPhone design. Most of their customers would have rejected it at first, and the negative feedback and press would have impacted their sales. Oh, wait...
    Apple brings out all kinds of rubbish and they're customers don't reject it. IPhone 5 being a shining example, IOS6, iMaps, purple haze, rattles, wifi dropout, nothing stops Apple.

    Microsoft makes the tiniest little change and the world goes crazy, ooh I don't know how to turn my computer off.
    Now we're getting into emotional responses. Must be running out of rational arguments.
    Well my rational response would be that MS looked into a crystal ball and saw a very dark future being led by Google and Apple and that they could end up beside RIM.

    I don't think they would have liked that very much so they had to make some tough decisions, do something or sit back and die. The world is turning to touch so that's the path they took, they also made the bold step of one OS to fit everything and this is probably what is pissing most people off.

    What I can't understand is why, I don't find it that much different except for metro and a few things are in different places. What I really can't understand why now 6 months later we're still talking about Vista and all the doom and gloom. Windows 7 is still there for those who want it and Windows 8 is there for those who want to move on.

    Is the hatred for MS that bad that everyone wants to bury it and live in an Apple world, or can we just put up with the changes. Me, I want to see where Windows 8 will end up, I find all the new tablets and convertible touch notebooks exciting, I just wish more people could see what I can see.

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  2. #92


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    I don't think the people commenting here hate Microsoft, but they are pointing out legitimate issues that affect their own use of PCs etc. Take this table from another post:

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    PC and notebook sales remain relatively steady over the long term, with tablets growing slowy and smartphones growing exponentially. Should the PC/notebook OS have taken second place effectively to smartphones? I understand Microsoft's ultimate aim is to have one OS that runs on all devices. So that OS will be optimised for the most prevalent device, the mobile phone.

    Is that what we want/need?
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  3. #93


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    You know, this is interesting, when apple changes their hardware like the connector even though I really don't see how that makes the iphone thinner, there was a week or so of dissent but that was gotten over; even though it costs 30 dollars to use your existing cables and cradles and even might make some car stereos antiquated because they can't fit an iphone 5.

    Windows 8 on the other hand, changes a feature that to a growing part of users were using less and less, it's all of a sudden groups and cliques and an "us versus them" sentiment grew with people loving Windows 8 and people crapping their pants thinking Microsoft is doing something perverse to them forcibly, even though no one is doing anything to force anything on anyone.

    mac os on the other hand, goes through some UI changes and a few feature set enhancements, no one cares.

    Then Windows 8 sparked off a touch versus non-touch debates and how redundant it is to use it or how better it is to use it. That, along with tablet PCs being something no one wants and some arguing you HAVE to eight different devices to do three different things because that's "just so proper!"

    apple releases an ipad mini, doesn't do anything more than an ipod touch, people pee themselves saying it's better than the original ipad 3 or 4 release and want one.

    Then there was the sentiment that tablets are outselling desktop PCs, and how Windows should be relevant for people that do real work on them. (Which I have to argue, why is the removal of Aero such a point of discussion and debate among people that do "real" work? I do real work, I have very little time to be sitting drooling like a little five year old kid over a UI element that has some transparent blur to it, and isn't EVEN CLOSE to being 10 percent of the total UI?) There is also the discussion that Windows is becoming irrelevant in an age of tablets and isn't keeping up with technology even though it once was on the bleeding edge of new tech. This, being said by people that use a tablet, but post something like that on a discussion site using their Windows xp PC saying how Windows is junk.

    apple releases two ipads in less than 12 months, no one calls BS.

    OH! On a side note, Microsoft rebuilds the code of Windows Phone 8 which makes current Windows Phone 7 handsets non-upgradable to 8. This causes a group of Windows Phone 7 users to excrete biological waste, and throw it and smear it everywhere whilst freaking out about how they bought a phone almost a year ago and wont' get an update to Windows Phone 8, or users that bought a Nokia Lumia 900 at initial launch to freak out EVEN THOUGH they will have extended support from Nokia and will have as much as possible brought over to Windows Phone 7 users even though they could had just cut and run on them; yet are still backing Windows Phone 7 app development.

    Some companies, like Samsung, LG, and Motorola, build new phones with android 2.3 on them and call it good. No android user that bought an android 2.3 handset is freaking out over how they can't install android 4.1 on their phone. Heck, even the companies that build higher end android 4 handsets don't really support their customers, it's just a wild west with android, with a rule of thumb saying that if your phone was released after 18 months, it most likely won't get the latest update. This is of course android 4 I'm talking about, as well as android 3.

    But I have to say, Microsoft won't be like RIM. They're releasing a Blackberry 10 later next year, thinking they can regain consumer marketshare. This is of course without the realization that people aren't just looking for phones based off the platform, more or less app content and multi-media content, such as itunes or Xbox Music along with app stores. This is why Windows Phone 7 had a pickle of a time among other things, it didn't have music content like itunes, didn't have a plethora of apps. Windows Phone 8 changes that for sure. And besides, RIM building a Blackberry to regain CONSUMER marketshare that they lost without resistance? This is like IBM building a PC for the consumer market, when their orginal founding and current exploits are firmly in the enterprise market, much like how RIM was firmly mounted in the enterprise, and for some reason thinks it can go beyond that.
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    OH! And there was a recent twitter screw up on Microsoft's behalf. They asked their followers to post their android malware horror stories, but then it turned into Windows rage with people pretty much going vile saying we hate you and Windows sucks.

    This is idiotic on both sides on Microsoft's behalf and the twitter people. Seeing as how twitter people are coincidently more inclined to use apple products, (I've actually had a stereotype of apple people being twitter users as they think they're the biggest thing to the world and feel that everyone should know what they're doing every half hour because they use apple and they're "cool." I recently found out a year ago or so, that apple was amping up twitter integration in ios and I think mac os. Go figure.) they were going to get Windows and Microsoft hate.

    Now, ideally, it would had been more logical to do this on facebook, as they recently announced that they want their developers to use android as more and more facebook users are on android, so more developers can dogfood their app on android over iphone. And seeing how that's a fact, and probably they might have more followers on facebook as the general Windows proficient or Microsoft liking people will have an android phone over an iphone. What better way to get android horror stories and replace someone's android phone with a Windows Phone!

    There is also the product placement of Windows Phone. One I think of is a music video where it prominently showed off an HTC Titan 2. YouTube responses? Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves!

    Meanwhile, apple products are placed in almost EVERY FREAKING TV SHOW AND MOVIE, no one cares.
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    I'm not sure what feature is being used less and less on a PC. When it comes to Apple, they could introduce anything they wanted and their devout followers would look on wide eyed and heap praise. There's a difference between constructive criticism and blind acceptance.

    As far as touch goes, unless all you're doing is poking at icons to look at things, all is well. But the moment that you have to start interacting with whatever you have open ie typing, drawing, highlighting etc, your humble digits tend to fail miserably and you need a keyboard/mouse/stylus. That's where touch simply doesn't cut it.

    If Microsoft really wanted to be smart, they should have kept the PC/phone OS experience separate, but allowed all the devices to work together when needed. Nokia had a great little program that allowed you to connect your phone to the PC and it simulated the phone interface on the monitor. I'd much rather have something like that, than what Microsoft provides with its sync software that does stuff all. I now have a cheap ZTE phone that comes with software that allows me to connect the phone to my PC/tablet and operate it directly from the computer, fantastic.

    When all we have is a chip implanted in our skull, then it'll be reasonable to have just one OS running things.
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  6. #96


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I'm not sure what feature is being used less and less on a PC. When it comes to Apple, they could introduce anything they wanted and their devout followers would look on wide eyed and heap praise. There's a difference between constructive criticism and blind acceptance.

    As far as touch goes, unless all you're doing is poking at icons to look at things, all is well. But the moment that you have to start interacting with whatever you have open ie typing, drawing, highlighting etc, your humble digits tend to fail miserably and you need a keyboard/mouse/stylus. That's where touch simply doesn't cut it.

    If Microsoft really wanted to be smart, they should have kept the PC/phone OS experience separate, but allowed all the devices to work together when needed. Nokia had a great little program that allowed you to connect your phone to the PC and it simulated the phone interface on the monitor. I'd much rather have something like that, than what Microsoft provides with its sync software that does stuff all. I now have a cheap ZTE phone that comes with software that allows me to connect the phone to my PC/tablet and operate it directly from the computer, fantastic.

    When all we have is a chip implanted in our skull, then it's reasonable to have just one OS running things.
    Using a stylus is using touch. A finger can be used for most navigation, a stylus for a little more precision. So no need for a mouse. I think you're doing the touch thing wrong?

    That would be good, having a phone being operated from a PC, but again, seeing as how you'd need to be in front of a PC to do that, I don't think would be attractive to most people. Interesting yes, appealing to most, not so much...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Using a stylus is using touch. A finger can be used for most navigation, a stylus for a little more precision. So no need for a mouse. I think you're doing the touch thing wrong?

    That would be good, having a phone being operated from a PC, but again, seeing as how you'd need to be in front of a PC to do that, I don't think would be attractive to most people. Interesting yes, appealing to most, not so much...
    I can't be using touch incorrectly, because I'm not using it (Windows 8 has been deleted from my tablet and my PC doesn't have touch monitors).

    A stylus is generally used for specialist applciations, such as photo editing, drawing etc, where a finger simply doesn't provide adequate precition, though it can be used for pecking when using tiny phone screens.

    Actually, being able to connect a phone to a PC/notebook/tablet and use the phone interface almost natively is excellent and would appeal to many people. At home, if I receive text messages etc on the phone, I can simply connect it to the PC and use the PC to type and respond, rather than battling with the phone keyboard/screen.

    When I'm out and about and need internet etc, I connect the phone to the tablet and can emulate the PC/phone capability I have at home. I tether the phone rather than use the tablet capability, because that means I only need one SIM card and account (for mobile and data) and my phone has significantly better reception than the tablet. A lot of business people and those who are frequently out and about would find this capability very handy.

    Many people, when at home, may be lounging around with their tablet, with the mobile phone charging or whatever, so why not be able to wirelessly have the mobile phone connect to the tablet, so that you can use it directly from the tablet. Most of today's generation apparently don't use a mobile phone for voice anyway, so being able to text, mms etc via the tablet would be ideal.

    A mobile phone, tablet/notebook, PC are all different tools for different purposes, none of them will likely ever become redundant and just because mobile phone sale will surpass that of other devices, is really only because these things become redundant almost annually, especially if on plans; whereas, PCs/notebooks/tablets usually see much longer term useage (other than Apple devices).
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    Actually the resolution is notebook specific. I don't have that setting within my HP Widescreen notebook. So that tells us that Windows 8 is FINALLY doing what previous version of Windows should have given us from jump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Actually the resolution is notebook specific. I don't have that setting within my HP Widescreen notebook. So that tells us that Windows 8 is FINALLY doing what previous version of Windows should have given us from jump.
    What do you mean?
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    As you stated Ray -"quote" I still haven't found a solid reason why 1336x768 was chosen as the minimum resolution. *End -quote*.
    There is NO such a resolution within this notebook. The closes I have to that is 1040x680.
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