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  1. #51


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    Too many fanboys here! MS will be proud of you guys. Leaving now. BYE!!!!
    Hey, fair go, matey.

    Some (quite a few, actually) of us 'hated' Win 8 at first. I know, I was one of them.

    Some still do, but remain here to advise and help others.

    And yes, we do have a few fanbois. Most of 'em are OK, tho, in their own ways.

    But the majority of us are only here to discuss and solve problems, and to help people with them.

    If you're having Win 8 problems, this IS the place to come to.

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  2. #52


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    The wheel has been around for thousands of years and has not changed in basic design.
    Actually, the wheel has changed a lot. But, the fact is, this is a bad comparison, because a wheel is the only possibly way to have means of conveyance where some part of it has to touch ground. There are solutions like tank treads, and rails, but they still use wheels as their basic system. The only other solutions are air, magnetic, hover, etc.. none of them use wheels, but they don't touch the ground either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    Well I still after all these years cannot come to grips with the HORRID RIBBON interface that is totally UNintuitive and takes up screen space and you expect me to accept the METRO interface?
    Actually, the Ribbon and Metro are both designed to address similar problems. And that's scalability, both of function and input type. Microsoft has written a lot on how Metro was designed to address the problem of constantly growing menus and how things were so buried nobody knew where to find anything. All of the top requests for users were functions that actually existed already, but nobody knew how to find them because the menus were a maze.

    The start page addresses a similar problem.. that of a growing number of apps. With the advent of the windows store, people can easily have thousands of apps installed, and menus become way too difficult to maneuver. In addition, menus are very difficult for handicapped and elderly people to use, and are horrible with touch interfaces.

    Maybe the start page is not the best possible solution, but for many things it's a far better solution than menus. The same is true of the Ribbon. Some day, they will probably find a better solution, but today there hasn't been one devised.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    Change for change sake is not good. Change for progress is good.
    Neither the ribbon or Metro are change for the sake of change. They address very real problems. Some of those problems are problems that are expected to occur, and you may not realize yet what they're for.. but you certainly would if left in the old way of doing things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    As a product designer I can tell you that some things are so perfectly designed or suited to their environment that at best you can only refine them and not change them grossly like with METRO. METRO is purely designed for smartphones and tablets and not suitable for PC use.
    If you are truly a product designer, then you should be able to understand Microsofts reasons for doing what they've done. You should also be aware of the fact that sometimes you have to make compromises to address the whole of the system, rather than catering to a small minority.

    Microsoft expects to sell orders of magnitude more touch based devices than all desktop PC's ever created over the next decade, and the desktop users will want their desktops to behave more like the devices they use most of the time (their phones and tablets).

    A large part of the problem is that Microsoft is anticipating what is coming, and many people will not see the need today for it. They will in the future, however.
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  3. #53


    I was warned by students not to bother posting in win 8 forums because any negative criticism is not accepted. I feel like i have entered into some fanatic church!

    Enjoy your win8 I am sticking with win 7 + Classic Shell. Also I do not want to turn my PC into a tablet nor a smartphone. Win 8 with smartphones and Tablets will be OK but with PCs? No way! The majority of the PC users worldwide will stick with 7.
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  4. #54


    Webster NY US
    Posts : 325
    Win 7 / Win 8


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    A large part of the problem is that Microsoft is anticipating what is coming, and many people will not see the need today for it. They will in the future, however.
    That's all good, but Microsoft needs to realize that most of us, whilst enjoying the anticipation of the future, still actually live and operate in the present with a plethora of non-touch screen based laptops and desktop systems. If something isn't working well for us at present, it's not a good solution. For this reason, I am indeed thankful that they left the desktop in play in Windows 8. Without it, Windows 8 would currently have limited use on the "desktop". I do feel a bit sorry for mouse users who may have RSI. There's an awful lot of having to "swoop" the mouse, sometimes across the entire screen, in Metro just to accomplish a task. Lovely for a touch screen. Horrid for mouse or simple touch pad.
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  5. #55


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by mbratch View Post
    That's all good, but Microsoft needs to realize that most of us, whilst enjoying the anticipation of the future, still actually live and operate in the present with a plethora of non-touch screen based laptops and desktop systems.
    Then don't use it. It's really that simple. There is no need to use Windows 8 right now if you don't want to. Windows 7 will be supported until 2019. By then, there will likely be at least two new versions of Windows.

    I do feel a bit sorry for mouse users who may have RSI. There's an awful lot of having to "swoop" the mouse, sometimes across the entire screen, in Metro just to accomplish a task. Lovely for a touch screen. Horrid for mouse or simple touch pad.
    There are alternative ways to do anything. If you can't do a gesture, there are shortcuts or other ways.. typically there is at least 3 or 4 ways to do almost anything.
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  6. #56


    Posts : 99
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    Too many fanboys here! MS will be proud of you guys. Leaving now. BYE!!!!
    So you're backpedaling then? Okay. Yeah, we're fanboys for actually giving the OS a chance and trying to correct the loads of misinformation that spreads like wild fire. I did the same thing with Vista and find 7 to be superior to it. I suppose I'm a Vista fanboy as well.

    Before I tried 8, I had the same problems you guys did. I thought it was going to be a cumbersome mess and wanted nothing to do with that dumb looking, phisher price start screen. It looked stupid as hell. The commercials didn't help. Then I read this review:

    Windows 8 review | Operating systems Reviews | TechRadar

    which got me to try it out and was pleasantly surprised. The Sports App is especially useful if you follow any sports. After messing with it for a while, I made the switch. There's a reason it's called Windows 6.2. It's basically a more efficient 7 (hardware resources. productivity is another debate, though I think it's just as productive). The Desktop is largely the same. File Explorer takes care of any file exploring needs. The "Computer" on the start menu in 7 is redundant. The Windows Explorer icon on the taskbar takes you there with as many clicks.

    The start menu has been around since Windows 95. We've had over 15 years to get used to it. This new start screen will take a bit of time, like any new interface, but once people get used to it, it's a breeze.
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  7. #57


    Webster NY US
    Posts : 325
    Win 7 / Win 8


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mbratch View Post
    That's all good, but Microsoft needs to realize that most of us, whilst enjoying the anticipation of the future, still actually live and operate in the present with a plethora of non-touch screen based laptops and desktop systems.
    Then don't use it. It's really that simple. There is no need to use Windows 8 right now if you don't want to. Windows 7 will be supported until 2019. By then, there will likely be at least two new versions of Windows.
    Cool. As long as MS "allows" us to buy laptops with something else, or at least easily put something else on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    There are alternative ways to do anything. If you can't do a gesture, there are shortcuts or other ways.. typically there is at least 3 or 4 ways to do almost anything.
    OK, I hadn't seen those published for Windows 8. But I can check into those. Particular to see what Metro apps are running, close an app, or pop up the charms, etc.
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  8. #58


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Charms is WinKey+C. There's a good list here: Windows 8 Keyboard Shortcuts [LIST] | Redmond Pie

    Also, there's a few apps in the Windows Store that teach you shortcut keys.
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  9. #59


    Thirlmere
    Posts : 91
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center 64bit


    I'm going to interrup all this disagreeing, You see I'm one of those people that must have that latest things..... So i gave W8 a try and did not like it. I'm ganna try again but this time install one of those start button things.
    Which one is a good program, i still want to be able to access metro at times..
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  10. #60


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchell View Post
    I'm going to interrup all this disagreeing, You see I'm one of those people that must have that latest things..... So i gave W8 a try and did not like it. I'm ganna try again but this time install one of those start button things.
    Which one is a good program, i still want to be able to access metro at times..
    That's a personal preference issue.
    You may have to try several to find one you like.

    I thought that "Classic Shell" was pretty good.

    Several people have recommend "Ex7ForW8".
    https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...tml#post154853
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