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  1. #41


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono View Post

    Many people don't like change. A great many that complain haven't even used it. It's the same issue with Vista really. The new layout is not difficult at all once you get used to it. I haven't even bothered to use keyboard shortcuts lately. The mouse works just fine within the new interface. That is unless maybe you have an older mouse with a 200-400 dpi or a ball mouse or something.

    There's nothing wrong with Vista now. Was mostly fixed by SP1. When it was first released, one of the biggest issues was OEMs installing the OS on hardware that couldn't run it optimally. On top of that, many companies would fail to create proper working drivers for it (creative is a good example). NOT saying that MS wasn't at least partially responsible for it crashing and burning upon release, but there are many other factors. XP had many of the same issues when it was first released, by the way, and wasn't really that good until SP2.

    7 is in fact Vista.1 (windows 6.1) and is simply a better optimized Vista with a different task bar. I also remember people griping about the new taskbar in 7, despite the fact that it's so much better. People will get used to the start screen. It simply takes time. Those that don't, well, at least they tried it and didn't like it. By that point, 3rd party start menus work well, I guess.
    I am sorry but I do not agree with the mentality that change is always good and that people must accept it. Also the notion the we will eventually get used to it is wrong.

    The wheel has been around for thousands of years and has not changed in basic design. All that has happened is it has been refined. Windows has been around for years and it has been refined but windows 8 comes along and redesigned the wheel into a square one; Perfect for parking without a hand brake and this square wheel has dampening systems that give you a good and smooth ride. You just have to get used to this new square wheel. Eventually you will learn to use it.

    Well I still after all these years cannot come to grips with the HORRID RIBBON interface that is totally UNintuitive and takes up screen space and you expect me to accept the METRO interface?

    Change for change sake is not good. Change for progress is good. As a product designer I can tell you that some things are so perfectly designed or suited to their environment that at best you can only refine them and not change them grossly like with METRO. METRO is purely designed for smartphones and tablets and not suitable for PC use. Some of the things that have not changed or changed very little (Refined) are the following: Sharks, cockroaches, knife, fork, wheel; Are a few designs. Sharks cannot live on land as they were designed for aquatic life but MS comes along and says "We have designed this new shark to live on land in a special aquarium". But you may say that what good is the shark in an aquarium? MS replies: "It will get used to it".

    Get my drift?
    How do you come to the conclusion that the metro design of Windows 8 is ONLY suited for small screens?

    And OH BOY! The Ribbon being unintuitive? When you have literally every relevant command available in one mouse click versus hovering over drop down menus and trying to search for the relevant command, the Ribbon prevails. It's something I would rather watch the world end versus having to go back to that UI model!

    Now, I don't think Windows 8 reinvented the wheel, it's more like phase one of a jet engine to allow for flying cars versus needing wheels, who says roads are always the best way to get to point A to point B when you can take the shortest route by air?
    At least apple's CEO tim cook agrees with this...

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  2. #42


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    How do you come to the conclusion that the metro design of Windows 8 is ONLY suited for small screens?
    Not Small screens I said TOUCH screens"

    And OH BOY! The Ribbon being unintuitive? When you have literally every relevant command available in one mouse click versus hovering over drop down menus and trying to search for the relevant command, the Ribbon prevails. It's something I would rather watch the world end versus having to go back to that UI model!

    Now, I don't think Windows 8 reinvented the wheel, it's more like phase one of a jet engine to allow for flying cars versus needing wheels, who says roads are always the best way to get to point A to point B when you can take the shortest route by air?
    At least apple's CEO tim cook agrees with this...
    No wonder they fired the guy who developed METRO! As for RIBBON? Well let me put it this way: It takes up needed screen space and it is a purely symbol based interface. Imagine if a friend using ribbon called you and asks for help because he cannot find how to change the font or how to do whatever. What are you going to tell him? Press the symbol that looks like "x" and then find a symbol that looks like "y" ........

    I can see by your siggy that you are a die hard windows 8 supporter and that no criticism of win 8 will be tollerated so I will leave it at that! Have a nice day!
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  3. #43


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    Well I still after all these years cannot come to grips with the HORRID RIBBON interface that is totally UNintuitive and takes up screen space and you expect me to accept the METRO interface?
    Wha? I just... yeah, I can't even... yeah.

    Change for change sake is not good. Change for progress is good. As a product designer I can tell you that some things are so perfectly designed or suited to their environment that at best you can only refine them and not change them grossly like with METRO.
    Hmm. Perhaps you're right. I mean, MS made a drastic change with Windows '95. "A Sta...rt Menu? Wha? DOS is just so much better and faster. Screw MS for designing that infernal thing!" Why change what isn't broken? Lots and lots of people were satisfied with DOS and some wish things were back to the good 'ol days.

    METRO is purely designed for smartphones and tablets and not suitable for PC use.
    More misinformation. If you simply don't like it, fine. Saying something like this just makes it seem like you haven't even touched the OS.
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  4. #44


    Too many fanboys here! MS will be proud of you guys. Leaving now. BYE!!!!
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  5. #45


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    Too many fanboys here! MS will be proud of you guys. Leaving now. BYE!!!!
    What do you expect, it's Windows Eight Forums! Not Windows Hate Forums!
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  6. #46


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    Too many fanboys here! MS will be proud of you guys. Leaving now. BYE!!!!
    What do you expect, it's Windows Eight Forums! Not Windows Hate Forums!
    OK slap each others backs and be proud of the fact that you ignore any criticism of windows 8. You are like the religions that have all the answers and do not allow questions.

    No matter what people say you will insist that windows 8 is perfect and METRO is the way to go. Well MS is killing the PC market. Why don't you tell us why they fired the man who developed your precious METRO UI?
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  7. #47


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    Too many fanboys here! MS will be proud of you guys. Leaving now. BYE!!!!
    What do you expect, it's Windows Eight Forums! Not Windows Hate Forums!
    OK slap each others backs and be proud of the fact that you ignore any criticism of windows 8. You are like the religions that have all the answers and do not allow questions.

    No matter what people say you will insist that windows 8 is perfect and METRO is the way to go. Well MS is killing the PC market. Why don't you tell us why they fired the man who developed your precious METRO UI?
    No one's insisting Windows 8 is perfect.

    And the desktop PC market is killing itself, people don't really look for desktops anymore, people want laptop PCs. Actually, demand for touchscreen AIO PCs are in real high demand right now and PC makers can't keep up with demand.

    They fired Sinofsky because of the limited app snap abilities.

    You will find that some here people have used Windows 8 for over a year now, from using the Developer Preview from September 2011 and on. People that you call fanboys are just people that figured out Windows 8 front to back and tiles and UNDERSTAND the changes, versus denying the need for them and demanding Windows 7 and nothing less.
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  8. #48


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    How do you come to the conclusion that the metro design of Windows 8 is ONLY suited for small screens?
    Not Small screens I said TOUCH screens"

    And OH BOY! The Ribbon being unintuitive? When you have literally every relevant command available in one mouse click versus hovering over drop down menus and trying to search for the relevant command, the Ribbon prevails. It's something I would rather watch the world end versus having to go back to that UI model!

    Now, I don't think Windows 8 reinvented the wheel, it's more like phase one of a jet engine to allow for flying cars versus needing wheels, who says roads are always the best way to get to point A to point B when you can take the shortest route by air?
    At least apple's CEO tim cook agrees with this...
    No wonder they fired the guy who developed METRO! As for RIBBON? Well let me put it this way: It takes up needed screen space and it is a purely symbol based interface. Imagine if a friend using ribbon called you and asks for help because he cannot find how to change the font or how to do whatever. What are you going to tell him? Press the symbol that looks like "x" and then find a symbol that looks like "y" ........

    I can see by your siggy that you are a die hard windows 8 supporter and that no criticism of win 8 will be tollerated so I will leave it at that! Have a nice day!
    Well, I'm using Windows 8 with a mouse..... sometimes use it with a keyboard.... Just like how I did with Windows 7..... Only difference is that the start menu turned into a screen of tiles and is more visual and graphical, which was the point of having a mouse way back then with the GUI.

    There is always hiding the Ribbon, and only using it when you need to use it. Problem solved.
    If a friend of mine called to ask how to change the font (which would be impossible nowadays, I don't personally know anyone who doesn't use the Ribbon let alone revert back to the file menu UI). But, if asked, I would tell them to highlight the text, a small translucent box will appear which you can mouse over to change the font and size. Or, you can go over the Font section of the Home tab, there will be a box that says Calibri, click into that box and type Times New Roman. Done.

    It's easier to describe symbols versus going over drop down menu after drop down menu to find the Font... section if you don't know what it's under to begin with. I honestly can't tell you how to change the font with Word 2003 anymore. Don't need to, don't want to.
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  9. #49


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    ...They fired Sinofsky because of the limited app snap abilities. ...
    Hmm, isn't Mr. Sinofsky's itself that wanted to quit Microsoft?
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  10. #50


    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzanos View Post
    Too many fanboys here! MS will be proud of you guys. Leaving now. BYE!!!!
    What do you expect, it's Windows Eight Forums! Not Windows Hate Forums!
    OK slap each others backs and be proud of the fact that you ignore any criticism of windows 8. You are like the religions that have all the answers and do not allow questions.

    No matter what people say you will insist that windows 8 is perfect and METRO is the way to go. Well MS is killing the PC market. Why don't you tell us why they fired the man who developed your precious METRO UI?
    I don't like Windows 8 at first, needed for about 2 months to gain likeness to Windows 8.
    Then more positive reviews of the RP surfaced, "Flash for Metro IE" ; "More performance gain than CP"; I liked Windows 8 more.
    Then reviews of the RTM surfaced, "More performance than RP" but "No Aero Glass on RTM" let's me down.

    But after I get my own Windows 8,
    Learning it just takes approximately 2 hours

    I'm not a fanboy, because I criticized Windows 8 too.
    But you must learn to use Windows 8, it may be not great for non-touch, but with Classic Shell you used with Windows 7, windows 8 is just as great (or better) to Windows 7.

    You don't believe I'm not a Fanboy?
    CONS of Windows 8:
    * No Aero Glass
    * No built-in option to use Start Menu
    * I admit, my experience of Windows 8 in Start Screen isn't that great
    * What I really don't like is how to close Metro Apps
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