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Is Start Menu really matter?

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    Does Start Menu really matter?


    The number one complaint on Windows 8 is not having an extra UI, but the missing of the Start Menu! I can't believe how deeply the Start Menu has already been rooted into Windows users' mind.

    I don't see its importance now as it might have in the old days when you only had a maximum of 1x-2x applications/ groups. Please look into Control Panel and recall the number of items there was in Windows 95. With a large number of items, when they are organized into a nested menu, it's not easily been located and requires many clicks to expand. Those how-tos would always be guiding your clicking e.g., Control Panel -> System -> Device ->... It requires your trained memory and precise mouse movements. I guess that your applications should always be more than system control settings.


    Why don't you simply input your application keyword in Search?


    Ubuntu, the most popular Linux distro, has taken its step to remove the Start Menu and introduced the UI Unity about 2 years ago. Although there were complaints at the early times, the users eventually realize that the Start Menu has lost its value and the new design receives more positive reviews as time goes by.


    It's sad to read posts about struggling on installing back Windows 7. I think that the missing of the Start Menu hurts only some kind of a sense of security. For me, I find myself enjoying in discovering the new experience in the Metro UI and the apps built onto. It's like I'm learning something new again. What do you think?

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    Yep, some people dislike unexpected change, especially when they don't see the immediate value to this change.
    However, once you get over the initial knee-jerk reaction, I think that it is easy to get used to the way Windows 8 works.

    I have seen regular people using newly bought laptops with Windows 8 as if it was Windows 7 (because they haven't learned about all the new capabilities yet), and they were quite happy with their laptops (they mostly noticed that it boot faster and that the ultrabook are much lighter than regular laptops).
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    Here we go again.

    It has nothing to do with insecurity. It is not a fear of change. It is not inability to learn something new. Just give it a rest, please.

    I've been in the computer biz for 30 years now, and have been "learning something new" that entire time, because the payoff was clear. Not so much this go 'round.

    I am a desktop user, not a touchy/mobile user, so that's where I'm coming from. The Metro search function a) fails to find what I need a good percentage of the time and b) entails a yank to Metro-land that is jarring and unappreciated. Fortunately, there are many ways around it, so mere lack of start menu is not a show-stopper. No need to revert to Win7.

    So you do your thing your way, and I'll do my thing my way.

    Peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PierreHenriK View Post
    Yep, some people dislike unexpected change, especially when they don't see the immediate value to this change.
    However, once you get over the initial knee-jerk reaction, I think that it is easy to get used to the way Windows 8 works.

    I have seen regular people using newly bought laptops with Windows 8 as if it was Windows 7 (because they haven't learned about all the new capabilities yet), and they were quite happy with their laptops (they mostly noticed that it boot faster and that the ultrabook are much lighter than regular laptops).
    But it's not a knee-jerk reaction - I've been using Win8 since the first Developer Preview, and every release since. Fortunately, it is easy to implement a start menu (for those of us who like the under-the-hood improvements, but use Desktop exclusively). There is this constant and recurring implication here that anyone who doesn't love everything about Win8/Metro/Start Screen is somehow insecure, frightened, mentally deficient, or jerking their knees, and I wish it would end.
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    @sgage Unfortunately it will never end. People who post generic, emotive, presumptuous, unsubstantiated statements will always be there.

    It's good you posted a rational, balanced response so that newcomers can see a reasoned approach to such whimsical thinking.

    However, IMO, under normal circumstances, the best advice is that given by SIW2:

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2
    I don't know why you bothered to rise to the bait, Mustang
    I have done a couple of posts, here and here, showing in detail my setup on W7 GUI and challenged anyone to show me how W8 in native format could do the job more efficiently, and no one has offered a response ... because there isn't one! Mechanically speaking, as opposed to personal preference, an alpha numeric cascaded start menu is more efficient than a tile one ... both in space and functionality.
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    My reply was probably too simplistic for a topic so dependent on personal preference and experience.

    The point I was trying to make is that Windows can work on a regular laptop, as you have been able to experience in your own way.
    Last edited by PierreHenriK; 29 Nov 2012 at 14:13. Reason: Typo
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    Quote Originally Posted by PierreHenriK View Post
    My reply was probably too simplistic for a topic so dependent on personal preference and experience.

    The point I was trying to make is that Windows can work on a regular laptop, as you have been able to experience in your own way.
    No one ever denied it could be made to do everything W7 GUI can do, but for desktop work it's not mechanically as efficient.

    For smartfone, tablet, yes. Totally different scenario. And if people like it better, yes, go for it. But don't knock people who dont' because it's simply not the best for certain applications.

    And to prove I'm not a hater, I paid $149 ($Aust) for W8 Pro OEM on disk from a retail shop, and am currently running it on my backup desktop in native format for the next few months to see if it can be made to work as efficently or better. If it's better I will keep it, but so far that hasn't happened, despite following all the posts and tips given on this forum by those who use Metro.
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    It's more than just being afraid of change, I'd it were that, I would not have even tried Windows 8.

    Unintuitive and awkward are the best terms I have for describing Windows 8. Got a call from my dad, who was helping a friend who just bought a new laptop with Windows 8. Both of them have over 30 years experience with computers and have used every version of Windows, including versions before 3.1. Their problem, neither could figure out how to shut down the computer without simply pressing the power button on the computer. Both were convinced I was pulling their leg when I explained how to do it via the charms menu.

    Some like Windows 8, some dislike it, but I think most are simply tolerating it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    @sgage Unfortunately it will never end. People who post generic, emotive, presumptuous, unsubstantiated statements will always be there.

    It's good you posted a rational, balanced response so that newcomers can see a reasoned approach to such whimsical thinking.

    However, IMO, under normal circumstances, the best advice is that given by SIW2:

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2
    I don't know why you bothered to rise to the bait, Mustang
    I have done a couple of posts, here and here, showing in detail my setup on W7 GUI and challenged anyone to show me how W8 in native format could do the job more efficiently, and no one has offered a response ... because there isn't one! Mechanically speaking, as opposed to personal preference, an alpha numeric cascaded start menu is more efficient than a tile one ... both in space and functionality.
    Ah, rising to the bait! A weakness, I'll admit. I resist it much of the time, but when it just starts piling on I get reckless :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgage View Post
    Ah, rising to the bait! A weakness, I'll admit. I resist it much of the time, but when it just starts piling on I get reckless :-)
    Yeah me too! I'm a sucker for the three card trick, and unfortunaely sometimes rise to the bait like a moth to the flame!
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