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Is Start Menu really matter?

  1. #61


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Yes. it's a lot of extra steps and massive amounts of extra mouse travel. Worse than useles on a desktop.
    Incorrect. Untrue. It would be better to state you prefer Windows 7. Actually, 8 requires far less pointer movements and steps. Windows 8 is far easier to use than previous versions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Queenmarylady View Post
    Not liking 8 so far and it has been about 3 weeks now...just shutting down was something I had to google
    This is a recurring theme. Did you ignore the help animation to use the corners? Did you press F1? Do you know about F1? This canard about needing to do a search to find the shutdown is preposterous. If you needed to do that, do you really know what you are doing? Do you know about alt-F4? Do you know about Ctrl Alt Del? Do you know about shutting down with your power button? Do you know about shutting down with task manager?

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  2. #62


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Yes. it's a lot of extra steps and massive amounts of extra mouse travel. Worse than useles on a desktop.
    Incorrect. Untrue. It would be better to state you prefer Windows 7. Actually, 8 requires far less pointer movements and steps. Windows 8 is far easier to use than previous versions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Queenmarylady View Post
    Not liking 8 so far and it has been about 3 weeks now...just shutting down was something I had to google
    This is a recurring theme. Did you ignore the help animation to use the corners? Did you press F1? Do you know about F1? This canard about needing to do a search to find the shutdown is preposterous. If you needed to do that, do you really know what you are doing? Do you know about alt-F4? Do you know about Ctrl Alt Del? Do you know about shutting down with your power button? Do you know about shutting down with task manager?
    Easier to use, huh? Don't remember having to explain to Windows users how to shut down when they went to 2000-xp-vista-7..but yet I have had to help numerous people who couldn't figure it out in 8.

    Others couldn't figure out how to close a metro app.
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  3. #63


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    Quote Originally Posted by shane88 View Post
    Are you sure about that ? Last time I checked I didn't think it gave me transparent aero glass on window borders.

    "These bland ugly colors have to go, their a distraction and stick out like a sore thumb. At least the aero glass made it translucent so your programs stuck out more and not the window borders. I want alittle shine to my OS and not have it dull and unappealing"
    Totally agree, the bland colors are pathetic compared to W7.

    I'm using W8 Pro OEM on disk bought from retail computer shop, and aero works fine. Desktop peek is in far right side of bottom Notifidcation area.

    You also need to right click Desktop and Personalize --> Windows color and drag the Color Intensity bar across to the left.
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  4. #64


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    A mess?

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    A mess?
    You picture is out of context. Show it in the context of a full screen. Start Menu takes up 6% of screen. And show all your other entries in Metro screen without cutting anything.

    This pic is with Office menu/Sub menu/sub sub menu ... all in less than two square inches. And without ever leaving the desktop.

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    Also when working on desktop and you need to open anything in Metro that is not a desktop icon or shortcut in task bar, you need to leave the desktop to find it in an array of tiles. And this has to be done for every application this applies to. So if you need to open 3 or 4 such applications, you need to go off the desktop and back three or four times. How is that quicker than never leaving the desktop?

    Also in Metro all shortcuts have to be added to task bar, and any other shortcuts custom made to AppData, Start Menu in Program Data, etc. With Orb Start Menu it's already there neatly set up withou having to group tiles, name groups, create short cuts on task bar.

    80% of my desktop shortcuts are created whan an application is loaded. And the list goes on. Orb Start Menu is more efficient in setting up and in running, space wise and number of commands wise and never leaving desk top.

    If you like Metro go for it, but don't knock others who prefer a more efficient system.

    And who wants to start using keyboard commands? The whole idea of a mouse is to point and click icons, shortcuts, Menu/shutdown, log off, drop down menus .... If we're gong to do that kind of stuff with a keyboard lets go back to DOS and be done with it.

    As I said before, for those who cannot see the light ...
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    Last edited by Mustang; 02 Dec 2012 at 16:09.
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  5. #65


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    sub, sub, sub menu... what next? We agree to disagree. I don't care for your desktop arrangement either. ... don't like that block menu, don't like nesting... ok. You could say I am a fan of 8 but you all should admit to being fan people of Windows 7 or other.
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  6. #66


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Easier to use, huh? Don't remember having to explain to Windows users how to shut down when they went to 2000-xp-vista-7..but yet I have had to help numerous people who couldn't figure it out in 8.

    Others couldn't figure out how to close a metro app.
    You would have to be a complete and total idiot to not understand that pressing the power button turns off your computer as much as it turns it on.
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  7. #67


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    Who would want to shut down a computer mechanically when there is an onscreen electronic switch option accessible with a mouse click. Who uses mechanical shut down anymore?

    And there's not just shut down in the same Orb Start Menu, but sleep, log off, lock, etc. One neat package.

    Ho hum! Boring!
    Last edited by Mustang; 02 Dec 2012 at 16:04.
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  8. #68


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    sub, sub, sub menu... what next? We agree to disagree. I don't care for your desktop arrangement either. ... don't like that block menu, don't like nesting... ok. You could say I am a fan of 8 but you all should admit to being fan people of Windows 7 or other.
    I'm a fan of using whatever system is proven to be most mechanically efficient. And what could be more efficient than:

    • Desktop icons for frequently used.
    • Jump start menu for less frequently used.
    • Alpha numeric cascaded menu for seldom used.
    • Never having to leave the desktop.
    • Everything auto arranged in groups in start menu. No need to arrange tiles or shorcuts to task bar.
    • User Name link to AppData, contacts, favorites, etc; plus shortcuts to Computer, Control Panel, etc
    • Ability to send shortcuts to desktop from Start Menu items.
    • Abiltiy to rename menu items, drag/drop items from sub menu to main menu.
    • Desktop toolbar to open desktop shortcuts when mutliple windows open.


    As I've said before, show me how native 8 is more efficient and I'll use it. I've been using 8 on my backup machine in it's native state with no orb start menu, and using every artifice shown in this forum to do each and every job I do on a daily basis on my flagship with W7 for nearly two weeks now. And I'm going to continue to do so for at least two or three months. And if it proves to be more efficient I'll be the first to admit it.

    However, I don't need to get a tape measure and physically measure 50 or 60 triangles to prove the sum of any two sides of a triangle is together greater than the third, when I can prove it in 30 seconds with Euclidean geometry. Or prove/disprove the logic of a set of propositions by repeated trial and error when it can be proved/disproved by Boolean Algebra or logic tables in a fraction of the time. Similary, I dont have to do the same job 50 or 60 times that takes 2 clicks on W7 and 4 clicks on W8 to prove W7 is more efficient.

    Mechanical efficiency is a different concept to personal choice. If someopne prefers Metro, I say good for them. Go for it. That does not prove it is more mechanically efficient. I acknowledge that we're all inidividuals and some people "see things" rather than think them. And if they find tiles/icons more efficient than text, again I say good for them. Go for it.

    Einstein said most of his major insights and big breakthroughs came when he wasn't even thinking of the subject matter. But rather they came out of the blue from left field from his sub-consicous, not his conscious mind. I'm sure most people who do cryptic crosswords have had the experience of staring at a clue for ages and have no idea of the answer. They walk away and come back next day and take one look at it and the answer pops into their head ... the subconscious at work in the interim. Cryptic crosswords also help to ward off alzheimers.

    But like I said before, the more people that start using W8, the more you're going to hear the same complaints, so get used to it, and instead of criticizing them, just point them in the right direction of using W8 in the most efficient way you understand to use it, whether that be Metro, Orb Start menu or whatever. Then they can make an informed decision whether they use it with Metro, hacked Orb Start Menu or ditch it totally.
    Last edited by Mustang; 02 Dec 2012 at 17:27.
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  9. #69


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    Hello again. "mechanical efficiency" sub, sub, sub, sub menus ... yikes !

    I am just so glad to have something different to use. yeaaaaah !!
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  10. #70


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    Sorry mdmd my background is in electronic/civil engineering and that's how I approach things on a professional level. And if you like Metro as is, I respect your right to your choice. No problemo. Live and let live.

    But don't tell me W8 in native state is more efficient than Win7 in native state unless you're prepared to prove it. I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone ... just stating that my experience with W7 is that it's more efficient in it's native state than 8 ... space wise, logistic wise and intuitive wise.
    Last edited by Mustang; 02 Dec 2012 at 17:07.
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