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Is Start Menu really matter?

  1. #51


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    Just install Classic Shell (or one of the others) and you will never have to use the Modern interface again. Everything will work like Windows 7, but with the underlying structure of Windows 8. Eventually Microsoft will do this themselves, as the Modern interface is simply not great for desktop use.

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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    Peeps c'mon

    Please before people start saying a) is useless or b) is fine just remember people work and use computers in totally different ways.

    Now I would suggest for example if you are translating two / three documents and need also to incorporate or copy data from another then quite clearly you need either windowed applications or SEVERAL monitors or a combination of both as surely even the most AVID believer in Metro would realize you need to be able to view all these objects at THE SAME TIME.

    So METRO in some situation is clearly not suitable for these types of applications --that doesn't mean to say that it's no good for watching movies etc.


    Now the other idea of just having an endless pile of tiles to select your application is also a pain when you have a lot of complex applications which have loads of sub options and sub sub options -- this is why for these types of applications you need a HIERARCHIAL structure -- I don't care if this is done in TILES (which it isn't currrently) or via a traditional Start menu.

    Since nobody has come up with Hierarchical Tiles ( for instance I should be able to click on say a Tile Visual Studio and then this tile would expand VERTICALLY DOWN with the sub options --create Visual C project etc etc) thee only other practical option is to use a menusing system which people have developed and is working NOW.

    I'd be quite happy to use a Tiling system and the new start screen if it incorporated the VERTICAL DROP DOWN - but since that option isn't available (yet) then people of course will pander for the Start menu.

    What I can't do reasonably on W8 is to endlessly scroll to find an application or repeatedly have to use the SEARCH. I don't work like that and I certainly don't want to clutter the desktop or quick launch taskbar with zillions of programs either --that defeats the whole object of those anyway. I've also tried with varying degrees of success or lack of it to re-arrange tiles in some concerted order -- but for the work I do the new Start screen is really "Not Fit for Purpose" -- but that's in MY case --for others its fine.

    If people only have a few applications and only really use the computer for surfing, "Farcebook / twatting on twitter" etc , Skype, email / music playing and movie / TV watching then Windows 8 in its current set up is perfectly fine --although if that's all these people are doing on a computer a tablet might be a better choice for them.

    I'm still testing out other things in W8 --there are plenty of decent things in W8 -- but for the moment it's not going to be my "Daily Work OS" -- W7 is still fine for that.

    I think the people who can't understand what the fuss about really don't actually understand how some people use their computers and what their workflow is like.



    compare this MESS with the start menu (using start menu 8 )

    cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #53


    Good grief! How long are we going to hash this subject?! For those that don't know me, I'm a fanboi. I like 8 for various reasons of which I won't go into here. All I'll say is that the Modern UI does not get in the way of what I use a desktop PC for. In fact, I find it more useful, but that's me.

    As usual, I will stress the market viewpoint. 8 is a "transitional" OS. I don't think MS is so stupid as to forget the enterprise sector. Although there is an Enterprise Edition and that some businesses will adopt it doesn't necessarily mean it's aimed at the business sector market. I can see where it doesn't fit some productive business scenarios, as some here have mentioned. Two major points I read is that the Start Screen takes one away from the desktop portal and the hierarchical problem of the Start Screen.

    The "taking one away from the desktop" scenario can be overcome by the taskbar and desktop shortcuts, which has always been an option. 3rd party Start Menu installation is another alternative. But then again, I'm not big on making 8 something it isn't. It is what it is.

    I think the hierarchical problem can be overcome by adding libraries in File Viewer to open programs that way. Of course, this takes one away from the desktop unless in a minimized view.

    I don't know all the solutions, but you can bet your bippie that 8 is aimed at an ever growing, demanding, and money-making PAD and smart phone market, which obviously demands a touch UI.

    From what I read from the Pros here is that most businesses are either using XP, Vista, or 7, or are about to upgrade to 7, which will be supported for quite awhile. How can MS lose here?

    So, generally I believe 8 is aimed at the general public consumer who generally uses a device for consumption, not creation. I think MS has a 9 or 10 in mind for the business sector. I think they hear your request for the Start Menu return, but personally I don't think you'll get it back. I think it will be some other form of menu.

    Make 8 what you want it to be, but bottom line, it is what it is.
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    A mess?

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    A mess?

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    endlessly scrolling

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  6. #56


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    Pointless discussion. Dog chasing it's own tail.

    Better get used to it fanbois, this is just the tip of the iceberg of an endless number of posts criticizing W8 simply because people prefer the old way ... no matter how logical/illolgical or how much you demonstrate new way or disagree with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shane88 View Post
    I don't see why everyone is so upset when there is start menu programs out there. I think all this energy should be focused more on coming up with a solution to bringing back aero transparency glass. With that back Windows 8 would be a true feature complete OS with many options for all types of users.
    If you use Ex7ForW8 to import Explorer 7 shell from Win7 installation disk, you get Aero glass at same time as Orb Start Menu; and direct boot to desktop; and bonus is Metro is totally gone when running Explorer 7 shell. However, you can switch to Explorer 8 shell and still use native 8 set up; and your desktop shortcuts are still there.

    That way, you get the best of both worlds, good and bad, in the order shown above.
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  8. #58


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Just install Classic Shell (or one of the others) and you will never have to use the Modern interface again. Everything will work like Windows 7, but with the underlying structure of Windows 8. Eventually Microsoft will do this themselves, as the Modern interface is simply not great for desktop use.

    Thank you Ray8! =) Downloading and trying it now.
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  9. #59


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    Yes. it's a lot of extra steps and massive amounts of extra mouse travel. Worse than useles on a desktop.

    Fortunately, you can get use a 3rd party solution.

    Ridiculous that users feel the need to do that. MS just expected users to put up with it.

    It is lucky for MS those 3rd party programs are available. This thing would have had even less take up if it were not for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Queenmarylady View Post
    Not liking 8 so far and it has been about 3 weeks now. It came per-installed on my new pc. Previously was using Vista Home. It's a leap. As another said, just shutting down was something I had to google how tos on without pushing the power off button. I am seriously considering getting a for dummies or similar book and have been using a pc since win 95 so long ago and just about every version since then. Why should I have to take lessons or read a book to learn a whole new operating system?? I just want to power on and go! Too much searching in the "charms" or how- tos.
    I'm also not liking how 8 does the photos, no more right click to delete , now I gave to go to the bottom of the image, find the delete button there...it doesn't seem simpler, seems like extra steps. (Sigh)
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  10. #60


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by shane88 View Post
    I don't see why everyone is so upset when there is start menu programs out there. I think all this energy should be focused more on coming up with a solution to bringing back aero transparency glass. With that back Windows 8 would be a true feature complete OS with many options for all types of users.
    If you use Ex7ForW8 to import Explorer 7 shell from Win7 installation disk, you get Aero glass at same time as Orb Start Menu; and direct boot to desktop; and bonus is Metro is totally gone when running Explorer 7 shell. However, you can switch to Explorer 8 shell and still use native 8 set up; and your desktop shortcuts are still there.

    That way, you get the best of both worlds, good and bad, in the order shown above.

    Are you sure about that ? Last time I checked I didn't think it gave me transparent aero glass on window borders.

    "These bland ugly colors have to go, their a distraction and stick out like a sore thumb. At least the aero glass made it translucent so your programs stuck out more and not the window borders. I want alittle shine to my OS and not have it dull and unappealing"
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