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Is Start Menu really matter?

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  2. #22


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Ubuntu used to be the #1 Linux distro.
    Since they introduced "Unity", Ubuntu has dropped from its #1 position.

    Most of the articles I've read suggest that Linux Mint is now #1.
    Yep, used to use Ubuntu on desktops at home...and used them a bit at work. Since they introduced Unity, I dumped them. It's been a rocky road, the experience is awful and I don't like it. Seems like same thing is coming to Windows.
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  3. #23


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    From reading your sig...

    Nobody had to tell me that Windows 7 was great, it was that obvious.
    Hey, Parks, IMO, never liked 7. Always seeking shell replacements.

    7 was great, it was that obvious.
    Not obvious to me.
    I never bought Windows 7. So I have no issues with anyone that wants to skip 8.
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    The OP: Is Start Menu really matter?
    To me: absolutely with Windows 7.

    The Windows 7 Start Menu to me, was a nightmare
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Ubuntu used to be the #1 Linux distro.
    Since they introduced "Unity", Ubuntu has dropped from its #1 position.

    Most of the articles I've read suggest that Linux Mint is now #1.
    Yep, used to use Ubuntu on desktops at home...and used them a bit at work. Since they introduced Unity, I dumped them.
    I'm still using Ubuntu 10 LTS as my physical Linux distro.

    I've got a stack of Linux VMs:
    • Ubuntu 10 LTS
    • Ubuntu 11.04 & 11.10
    • Ubuntu 12 LTS
    • Linux Mint 13 (MATE)
    • Linux Mint 14 (MATE)
    • Fedora 15
    • CentOS 6
    • Pinguy
    • Peppermint
    • OpenSUSE 12


    As I mentioned previously, Linux Mint (MATE) is now my favourite Linux distro.
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    I must be honest..initially I was unhappy about start menu being omitted from W8..so I tried various third party "Start" programs which W8 did not agree..it took ages to shut down-start..slowed down my system etc. So I decided to live without "Start", after overcoming withdrawal symptoms I can live happily without "Start" (same thing when I gave up smoking ) Well, if you get used to it ,W8 does everything you ask for "Search and Settings" there...having said all that I won't be surprised if Mc includes Start and Gadgets in their Service pack 1
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  6. #26


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    From reading your sig...

    Nobody had to tell me that Windows 7 was great, it was that obvious.
    Hey, Parks, IMO, never liked 7. Always seeking shell replacements.

    7 was great, it was that obvious.
    Not obvious to me.
    I never bought Windows 7. So I have no issues with anyone that wants to skip 8.
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    The OP: Is Start Menu really matter?
    To me: absolutely with Windows 7.

    The Windows 7 Start Menu to me, was a nightmare

    No problems with that. I was on XP, didn't care for Vista. Was very impressed with Windows 7 overall. I jumped onto it immediately, moved any Vista machine that had problems to 7 and overall things have been very smooth and problem free with Windows 7.

    I just don't care for the changes in Windows 8. They don't suit me well. They don't benefit me. I don't see any point in spending my money to upgrade.
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  7. #27


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    I'm finding as time goes on, the majority of people that complain about not having a start menu are just people that have used it for 15 or more years, that doesn't change without people throwing their hands up in the air. Now, is the Start Screen better than the menu? From my experience personally and seeing how others have used Windows 7 shows yes. It is better. When people figured out how to pin things to the Taskbar, the need for the Most Frequently Used list of the menu becomes redundant. A typical laptop resolution can have over 16 items pinned to it, which is more than what the MFU lists can display. Most of those usually have jumplists that are used. Usually after that, the All Programs list becomes a once in a blue moon adventure, I honestly can't say if it's ever used or not from what I can gather. If something needs found, it's either in the MFU list and not pinned to the Taskbar, or just searched for with a text query. Or sometimes, people just keep shortcuts on the Desktop and use those, basically how Windows has been used since like Windows 2 and 3. I know I PERSONALLY used the start menu quite often. I preferred having items pinned to the Taskbar of the programs I used often. I didn't use the MFU list as I kept the All Programs neat and tidy and could find things pretty quickly when needed. Shoot, I was thinking about doubling the size of the Taskbar and pinning EVERY program I had installed onto it, which would make the start menu UTTERLY pointless...

    Now, there are a very slim group of people that probably use the Taskbar pins and the start menu in conjunction. There is a small group of people that do use the All Programs list as they have their poop in a group and have things organized to find a program that they don't use too often. That's them, that's not the overwhelming group of everyone else.

    I just helped build a budget gaming rig for a friend of mine who is a HARD CORE PC gamer, the kind that has actual shelves full of PC game disks, along with a huge collection of Steam games. He went for Windows 8 as he really doesn't get why people are complaining about a start menu that he never used. And this is true, looking at his start menu, I can see why he just used the Desktop shortcuts as that was a MESS! In a Start Screen environment, those Desktop shortcuts become tiles on the Start Screen, of which can be organized neatly, things can be unpinned if needed, grouped, and further tweaked with a couple of third party tools. The Start Screen effectively becomes the original purpose of the Desktop, of that being just being the launcher of programs. It's visual like the Desktop, except different.


    But honestly, people did complain when Windows 95 came out and forced people to use the start menu. People complained about the Luna UI design of xp being crap to the old school UI. People did complain when vista condensed this preposterous fly-out start menu that took over the whole Desktop if large enough and condensed it down into this small little scroll menu. There were even people that complained about the new Taskbar in Windows 7 saying just that they didn't like it. In retrospect, people adopted the use of the start menu. People adopted the use of the newer start menu in xp. People adopted and defend the vista style start menu. People adopted the use of the new Taskbar in 7. And in all new UI changes, people just took advantage of the new over the old. Do you see people complaining and trying to disable the start menu in Windows these days like in 95? No. Was it easy to disable the start menu in 95? Yes. But did matter five years later with 98 or 2000? Not really.
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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    I don't suppose it matters to you that the metro UI is a disaster in usability terms for desktop/laptops.
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  9. #29


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    And this is true, looking at his start menu, I can see why he just used the Desktop shortcuts as that was a MESS!
    It should have at least been an organized mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    In a Start Screen environment, those Desktop shortcuts become tiles on the Start Screen, of which can be organized neatly, things can be unpinned if needed, grouped, and further tweaked with a couple of third party tools.
    To me, the start screen looks like a box of crayons exploded...it's too busy. I hated having to remove icons from the desktop, and when programs gave an option to NOT create a shortcut, I exercised that option. Wit the start screen, I've always got clean up to do. PITA if you ask me. And having to have 3rd party tools to customize is just a drag.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The Start Screen effectively becomes the original purpose of the Desktop, of that being just being the launcher of programs. It's visual like the Desktop, except different.
    But to have to jump back to a full screen listing of my icons is a real pain in the butt. I much prefer just having a menu where I can access things from and still see the desktop as well as all running apps that I use. When I go to the Start Screen, my desktop is gone. New emails are missed, instant messages are missed, and everything else on the desktop is missed for whatever period of time I am looking at the start screen. What a drag.
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  10. #30


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    Agreed


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I hated having to remove icons from the desktop, and when programs gave an option to NOT create a shortcut, I exercised that option. Wit the start screen, I've always got clean up to do. PITA if you ask me. And having to have 3rd party tools to customize is just a drag.
    I hate those installers that don't give you the following options:
    • Program: Location
    • Desktop Icon: Yes/No
    • Start Menu: Yes(Location)/No
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