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Is Start Menu really matter?

  1. #11


    Posts : 419
    Windows 8.1 x64


    People whined and complained when Windows 95 came out and introduced the Start Menu.
    People whining and complaining when Windows 8 came out with Metro/Modern UI.
    People will whine and complain the next time Microsoft makes a change to the Windows UI.

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  2. #12


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Quote Originally Posted by LovingWindows View Post
    People whined and complained when Windows 95 came out and introduced the Start Menu.
    People whining and complaining when Windows 8 came out with Metro/Modern UI.
    People will whine and complain the next time Microsoft makes a change to the Windows UI.
    And people who insist that we're simply whining and complaining will be studiously ignored.

    Just as they were then.

    Our opinions are at least as valid as anyone else's.
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  3. #13


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by LovingWindows View Post
    People whined and complained when Windows 95 came out and introduced the Start Menu.
    People whining and complaining when Windows 8 came out with Metro/Modern UI.
    People will whine and complain the next time Microsoft makes a change to the Windows UI.
    So what does that prove? And how does it help people on the forum? Unless it's a W8 promo!
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  4. #14


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    I think the problem arises from misunderstanding.

    There is a concept it is all about a missing start menu.

    It isn't.

    The missing start menu is a symptom of the problem.

    The problem is that MS is trying to force the start screen on users. They know what the users want - but they have ignored it and tried to force what MS wants.

    MS are doing that to try and lure the users to their online services. They are doing it by shoving the start screen and the accompanying metro UI at users at every opportunity.

    If they had allowed boot direct to desktop and the start menu as default for desktop users - those desktop usability complaints would not be there.

    There wouldd still be consistency across devices - whichever UI you are in still looks the same across devices. The difference being which is default and which you use mostly - that depends on the device you are using.

    The start menu itself is just a part of that. It is a very efficient way of navigating in a desktop environment - it's not the only way - if you prefer your own navigation methods - fine. But vast numbers like and use the start menu.

    The reason that was removed is the same - to push the start screen in your face - even if you clearly want to use the desktop.

    Of course, those who are beyond beginners can find their own workarounds/3rd party programs/whatever - but that isn't the point.

    How it comes out of the box will be what Joe public gets - and that is what reviews are based on.
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  5. #15


    Quote Originally Posted by LovingWindows View Post
    People whined and complained when Windows 95 came out and introduced the Start Menu.
    People whining and complaining when Windows 8 came out with Metro/Modern UI.
    People will whine and complain the next time Microsoft makes a change to the Windows UI.
    Oh please, here we go YET AGAIN. I really, really resent having my criticisms of Metro, which are from the point of view of a Desktop user, and based on many months of working with the thing, characterized as 'whining'.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 76
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by chingNotChing View Post
    Why don't you simply input your application keyword in Search?
    If it really is just this one simple thing that you think people are reacting to, then by your logic one could just install Launchy in Win7 and have everything they need from 8. Why tout the stupid search as even a near top feature when it's been around for YEARS with the use of third party software?..big deal - as usual M$ is a day late and a dollar short, along with almost every other "feature".

    And yet they STILL can't get multi monitor support correct.
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  7. #17


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by symbiont View Post
    And yet they STILL can't get multi monitor support correct.
    Actually, the multi monitor support is improved.

    Multi-Monitor Support from Windows 8 - Everything Microsoft | Leading Unofficial Microsoft Site

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  8. #18


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Used to be #1


    Quote Originally Posted by chingNotChing View Post

    Ubuntu, the most popular Linux distro, has taken its step to remove the Start Menu and introduced the UI Unity about 2 years ago. Although there were complaints at the early times, the users eventually realize that the Start Menu has lost its value and the new design receives more positive reviews as time goes by.
    Ubuntu used to be the #1 Linux distro.
    Since they introduced "Unity", Ubuntu has dropped from its #1 position.

    Most of the articles I've read suggest that Linux Mint is now #1.

    IMO:
    • "Unity" is awful (although it is still better than Metro).
    • Linux Mint (MATE) is better than Ubuntu.


    Quote Originally Posted by symbiont View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chingNotChing View Post
    Why don't you simply input your application keyword in Search?
    If it really is just this one simple thing that you think people are reacting to, then by your logic one could just install Launchy in Win7 and have everything they need from 8. Why tout the stupid search as even a near top feature when it's been around for YEARS with the use of third party software?..big deal - as usual M$ is a day late and a dollar short, along with almost every other "feature".

    And yet they STILL can't get multi monitor support correct.
    Windows 7 already has search in the Start Menu (Click and Type).
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 29 Nov 2012 at 21:54. Reason: Fixed bullets
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  9. #19


    Posts : 76
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by symbiont View Post
    And yet they STILL can't get multi monitor support correct.
    Actually, the multi monitor support is improved.

    Multi-Monitor Support from Windows 8 - Everything Microsoft | Leading Unofficial Microsoft Site
    Ya I've read the propaganda, I'm not looking for "improved". I'm looking for "multi display has been around for 10 years I finally have everything I need so I don't need to run 3rd party apps"...you know like something as primitive as being able to put a clock/systray on the 2nd taskbar.
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  10. #20


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Oops: It's WinKEY Pg-UP and Pg-DN: (to flip screens in extended mode)
    You want a clock/systray on both taskbars in extended mode?

    Click image for larger version

    note: this is not my system in the pic. Curious, there is another around here that needs 6 monitors ! yikes,
    oh well, I have enough with 1. (Oh, but I do have my system set to duplicate, and sending videos to a larger monitor)
    Last edited by mdmd; 30 Nov 2012 at 00:39.
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