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Is Start Menu really matter?

  1. #171


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Hi mdmd,

    For what it's worth, I hear you and respect your point of view.

    As you know I'm not a fan of Metro start screen and use hack start menu.

    However, if I liked Metro and it worked for me, I wouldn't give a tinker's damn what other people thought or said. I'd go for it.

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  2. #172


    While we're after productivity.......WinKey continues to be "The Start Orb".

    After boot -> Start Screen appears -> WinKey/D -> Poof! -> Desktop appears -> WinKey -> Poof! -> Start Screen appears (just like the Start Menu does) -> WinKey again -> Poof! -> Desktop appears

    From anywhere -> WinKey -> Poof! -> Start Screen appears -> Ctrl/Tab -> Poof! -> All Apps appears -> Esc -> Poof! -> Back to the original anywhere screen

    Start Screen, Desktop, or anywhere -> WinKey/C -> Poof! -> Charms Bar appears -> Esc -> Poof! -> It disappears

    From anywhere -> WinKey/X -> Poof! -> advanced context menu appears (If desired -> Arrow up or down -> Enter after selection) -> Or -> Esc -> Poof! -> Gone!

    Start Screen -> End -> Home -> Page Up -> Page Down -> Any arrow key to narrow down selection -> Poof! -> App opens -> Alt/F4 -> Poof! -> App closes.

    These are just a few illustrations.

    Just to let you know, I learned keyboard shortcuts 2 or 3 OSs ago. I'm typing on a keyboard. Why would I want to reach for the stinking dirty mouse to waste movements?!!

    The lion is king of the jungle -> I am king of keyboard shortcuts

    Have a good day. With that I'll post with Alt/S -> Poof! -> Gone!
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  3. #173


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    You know what I'm wishing for this Christmas?

    These bloody threads to be done and over with!

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  4. #174


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    one clever fellow used alt-f4

    Hmmm. Bit of a no-brainer.

    Installed the DP (which sucked on SO many levels) on it's release, and couldn't immediately see a way out.

    So, Alt-F4 it was.

    Worked. Still does on the RTM.

    Pretty-well instinctive, really.

    Unless you're a dill *.


    *Dill: - Australian slang. Meaning fool, slow to learn, no-hoper, stupid etc.

    Not to be applied to present company... :-)
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  5. #175


    Webster NY US
    Posts : 325
    Win 7 / Win 8


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    one clever fellow used alt-f4

    Hmmm. Bit of a no-brainer.
    I've never used the Function key shortcuts in Windows, so I, for one, am unfamiliar with them.
    It's sort of a WordPerfect paradigm (for those who remember that old thing).
    Never had to use them in Windows previously because it was generally obvious how to perform the action otherwise.
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  6. #176


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Why on earth would you prohibit them from pressing the power button? That's how you're SUPPOSED to turn it off.
    it wasn't a test to see if they could find the power button....

    it was a test to see if they could easily navigate their own way to the built in power off function within windows.

    from 3.1 to windows 7 it was start...shut down.

    windows 8...scroll to charms bar, scroll down to settings, open that find the power then hit shut down.

    not exactly right there where it has been for the last i don't know 20+ years? so yeah avoiding the power button was part of the scenario.
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  7. #177


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Windows 3.1 didn't have a start menu, nor did it power off the computer if you exited Windows.

    Still, there are half a dozen different ways to shut down windows. Some of them work exactly the same as they did in previous versions.

    Yes, you can go to the charms menu. And frankly, part of using Windows 8 is to start using the charms bar for what you're looking for. Another options is WinKey+I then click the power button, or ctrl-alt-del and click the power button, or alt-f4 on the desktop and choose shutdown, or open a command prompt and type shutdown, or install any of the dozens of Windows store apps that will give you a simple shut down tile, or... I am getting tired of explaining the many ways of shutting down Windows, but honestly, for every other device on the planet, if you want to turn it off, you turn it off the same way you turn it on. With it's power button.

    Why do people lose their brains when they use a computer?
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  8. #178


    For those that don't know me and for those that want to know me more, if for whatever forsaken reason.

    I'm a small construction business owner and a computer enthusiast. I'm not nearly as savvy and a "super power user" as most here by far. Let's just say I'm more literate in computing than the average joe, but not nearly as savvy as the Pros or some "geeks" that post here. In fact, this forum I use as a learning portal.

    One can learn more about me and other members here: www.eightforums.com/showthread.php?t=7538. I'll ask others while there to post your story or history. I'm trying to revive the thread.

    Getting back to the topic at hand. Does the Start Menu matter? For me, I find the Start Screen and All Apps screen to be much more efficient than what I was using on past OSs -> the Start Menu and desktop gadgets. In Vista and 7 anyway. Keeping in mind that I'm a heavy keyboard shortcuts user as I posted above. So, navigating around in the new touch UI Start Screen is actually faster for me. It also gives me more "at a glance" information than my five gadgets I had on my desktop while I'm on the Start Screen looking for a Store app or legacy program to open. Or pushing the WinKey once to look periodically, then pushing again to return to my previous window. Two key strokes is all.

    Why is it faster for me you may ask? In 7 I would use the WinKey to open the Start Menu, then arrow keys to scroll down, then enter key to the open a folder, then arrow key to scroll again to a program to open. I may scroll sideways to the power options or then up again to the side menu of the Start Menu. My Computer, Control Panel, etc. A lot of keys to scroll and open a program.

    You may ask why not use the mouse? It takes just as many movements, clicks, and time with it as with the keyboard I found. Perhaps slower. At one time I found myself adding shortcuts on the desktop or taskbar. Then I'm using the mouse more, using more wasted movement minimizing windows to get to a shortcut if it's on the desktop. The taskbar is only so big to hold shortcuts. Forget Quicklaunch, for then I'm using the mouse more.

    I know this is getting to be a long winded post, so I'll close with this. I navigate to apps or programs via keyboard shortcuts in the 8 Start Screen and All Apps than previously. At the same time I'm getting more "at a glance" information while there, for I see more live tiles than the amount of gadgets I had. A definite plus for me.

    All in all, taking my hands off the keyboard to use the mouse is inefficient. Wasted motion and time.

    Again, with that, I'll post this with what? Alt/S -> Poof! -> Posted!
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  9. #179


    Webster NY US
    Posts : 325
    Win 7 / Win 8


    Thoughtful and helpful post, HippsieGysie.

    I think there is certainly something to be said for larger, more informative, and conveniently arranged icons (a la the Start screen).

    On Windows 8, are you using a laptop or desktop with a touch screen to select the app you want and pan the screen, etc? You had mentioned that it wasn't productive taking your hands off the keyboard to manipulate a mouse. Do you find that less the case when having to take a hand off the keyboard to manipulate the touch screen?
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  10. #180


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Windows 3.1 didn't have a start menu, nor did it power off the computer if you exited Windows.

    Still, there are half a dozen different ways to shut down windows. Some of them work exactly the same as they did in previous versions.

    Yes, you can go to the charms menu. And frankly, part of using Windows 8 is to start using the charms bar for what you're looking for. Another options is WinKey+I then click the power button, or ctrl-alt-del and click the power button, or alt-f4 on the desktop and choose shutdown, or open a command prompt and type shutdown, or install any of the dozens of Windows store apps that will give you a simple shut down tile, or... I am getting tired of explaining the many ways of shutting down Windows, but honestly, for every other device on the planet, if you want to turn it off, you turn it off the same way you turn it on. With it's power button.

    Why do people lose their brains when they use a computer?
    hmm maybe i should have pointed out this was a year ago....no store no apps none of those fancy addons, just plain old windows 8.

    yeah for some reason i recall 3.1 having a start menu..might have been my memory playing funny with me.

    i think you missed the point of the task though, it wasn't get a computer savvy IT expert to shut down this machine without using the power button, the point was about the utter illiterates out there using computers, it wasn't aimed at you that knows every shortcut in the o/s.

    you just painted all pc users as being these uber geeks that know all of those, sorry to say this but while geeks/nerds like us are a growing group there are a colossal number of pc users without the slightest idea what a shortcut is at the best of times, never mind how to use one or access command prompt and use that too.

    take your idea of a typical user and lower the bar on their ability to use a pc by a few hundred feet.
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