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Is Start Menu really matter?

  1. #161


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    If you turn it off at the hardware power button, then you're not shutting down running background processes and you'll get a check disk error on startup. That's why there's a software shutdown button.
    That's not quite true. If you press the hardware power off button once and let it go, you get a normal safe shut down. If you do a force shut down by pressing and holding the hardware power off button until it shuts down, then you will get the error message on re-boot.

    But who uses the hardware power button when there's an electronic switch on the GUI?

    Unless of course you're a safety fanatic like me, and want to make your equipment last longer. In which case, after electronic shut down, wait till all the fans stop turning, then turn the mains power off at wall, and press the tower start button to empty the capacitors of any stored residual charge.
    Last edited by Mustang; 06 Dec 2012 at 21:53.

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  2. #162


    Quote Originally Posted by PierreHenriK View Post
    Yep, some people dislike unexpected change, especially when they don't see the immediate value to this change.
    However, once you get over the initial knee-jerk reaction, I think that it is easy to get used to the way Windows 8 works.

    I have seen regular people using newly bought laptops with Windows 8 as if it was Windows 7 (because they haven't learned about all the new capabilities yet), and they were quite happy with their laptops (they mostly noticed that it boot faster and that the ultrabook are much lighter than regular laptops).
    Yeah, stupid!
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    I'd forgotten that the start button can also double as a software shutdown, provided you don't hold it down. But I've always been told that it's better to use the software to shut down, so that's what I've always done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I'd forgotten that the start button can also double as a software shutdown, provided you don't hold it down. But I've always been told that it's better to use the software to shut down, so that's what I've always done.
    Yeah, most times I use electronic switch off, but sometimes if I'm not actually sitting in front of the PC with hand on mouse, I'll just hit the tower power off button because it's physically easier.
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    Getting back to the start menu, I think it does matter, whether it's the traditional orb or some other iteration, Windows 8 needs something visible/prominent even in the Modern interface. There is so much unused space available, that would it have hurt to allow even the choice of a persistent menu (even a toolbar which you can control) visible on the screen?

    Whenever you want to use the charms, with a mouse, you have to move to the exact top-right of the screen, not to the side like you can with swiping. And another thing I found; if you use search and say type in say 'e' and then click in the empty space, you're left with a choice of options, but no obvious way to get rid of that screen if there was nothing suitable. You can't just go to the top of the screen like with apps and swip the page down with the mouse.

    After puzzling over this, the initial way to close the screen was by selecting an option and then closing it down and leaving the desktop. Later I found that if you moved the mouse precisely to the bottom-left corner, you'd see the start menu and could close the page that way. Why hide everything?

    Basically, if you want often used programs etc to be readily accessible, you need to pin them to the start menu and then end up with piles of icon to scroll through horizontlly when you want to find them. Or you can select All Apps and then have a screen full of smaller icons, which you have to scroll horizontally to see them all. That's just dumb.

    All this may be fine on a tablet, but on a desktop it's just dumb.
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  6. #166


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    it's just dumb.
    Your post is about to get taken to the cleaners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Whenever you want to use the charms, with a mouse, you have to move to the exact top-right of the screen,
    Charms Bar > upper and lower corner = start menu > exact corner position (button or orb)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    And another thing I found; if you use search and say type in say 'e' and then click in the empty space, you're left with a choice of options, but no obvious way to get rid of that screen if there was nothing suitable.
    Try the backspace key...What do you mean empty space?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Basically, if you want often used programs etc to be readily accessible, you need to pin them to the start menu and then end up with piles of icon to scroll through horizontally when you want to find them. Or you can select All Apps and then have a screen full of smaller icons, which you have to scroll horizontally to see them all. That's just dumb.
    What are you talking about? Do you know what semantic zooming is? No scrolling is required in all apps.
    How many programs do you need pinned? Is 50 or 60 enough?
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    Hardly, when I said '...but on a desktop it's just dumb.', I was referring to a desktop PC, not the desktop interface. I'm talking about this type of functionality being available on the Modern interface, not the desktop interface, which I already have set up to emulate Windows 7 using Classic Shell.

    At least with the start menu (orb or whatever), it's clearly visible, not hidden away from view. That's a big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    have set up to emulate Windows 7 using Classic Shell.
    This is part of the confusion for many. They are trying to emulate another OS design. People spend way too much time trying to make 8 look and behave like 7. So you don't like the metro. You believe it is unintuitive, difficult, jarring, distracting, ugly, useless, wasteful, and a failed half baked implementation that does not belong on a pc. It is not fit for use on a desktop. Too much is hidden. You cannot find the controls. You do not like metro apps. You prefer a start menu. ok. Let's go with that. A start menu is obvious and a much more efficient desktop manager. Oh...but..., a start menu is hidden, until you click on it (in the exact spot). ...and the programs listed in the start menu are also hidden until you find them... and for sure, a start menu is more mechanically efficient. It takes up only a small percentage of your desktop, the rest is available for wallpapering with icons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    This is part of the confusion for many. They are trying to emulate another OS design. People spend way too much time trying to make 8 look and behave like 7. So you don't like the metro. You believe it is unintuitive, difficult, jarring, distracting, ugly, useless, wasteful, and a failed half baked implementation that does not belong on a pc. It is not fit for use on a desktop. Too much is hidden. You cannot find the controls. You do not like metro apps. You prefer a start menu. ok. Let's go with that. A start menu is obvious and a much more efficient desktop manager. Oh...but..., a start menu is hidden, until you click on it (in the exact spot). ...and the programs listed in the start menu are also hidden until you find them... and for sure, a start menu is more mechanically efficient. It takes up only a small percentage of your desktop, the rest is available for wallpapering with icons.
    I think you're beginning to understand why a lot of people don't particularly like the Modern interface on a desktop PC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I think you're beginning to understand why a lot of people don't particularly like the Modern interface on a desktop PC.
    Hello Ray8.
    I have known their complaints since the beginning. I simply don't care for their point of views. Their complaints do not compute because I prefer a new approach. The traditional way to me is stale and uninteresting. Workflow complaints or conspiracy theories about where OS design is going does not interest me.
    I enjoy the new approach.

    You could say, new is not better, but I think it is..........
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