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Is Start Menu really matter?

  1. #121


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    I'm assuming that Microsoft is reading these forums and comments being made by experienced users should be noted, as they form the backbone of their customer base. What is expressed in these forums is very likely a microcosm of what is being expressed in the broader environment and not just what comes out of focus groups.

    This is the place where you get honest opinions and not ones that may well be somewhat reserved when in a closed group environment. Focus groups are frequently dominated by a few vocal individuals, no matter how carefully moderated, and what's not said is often the most important.

    And from what I've been hearing here are not the cries of Luddites not wanting change, but those of frustrated users who see both sides and have to ask why.

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  2. #122


    Posts : 162
    Windows 8 Pro


    for me yes it does matter.

    Do I need it, No

    Do I want it, yes
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  3. #123


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Hello Darvin. Welcome to EightForums.

    There are many people here that speak other languages that post in English. I cannot speak a second language fluently. So, they are smarter than me.
    No, I get that. But if I used a language incorrectly I would want to know.

    For hardcore computer users I don't see 8 as being a problem. It's not that hard to adapt. The real problem will be with the mass number of users of XP, Vista and 7. People coming from the tablet or phone will adapt fairly easily. Problem is, the user base desktops is huge. General users and IT guys are just not going to like it one bit. Not that they ever liked any other release of Windows but I think with this one they have some seriously valid user issues.

    My only real complaint is that they didn't make it an option. I've always hounded developers at the companies I have worked for to keep legacy features as an option. At lest until people can make the transition.
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  4. #124


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    "Honest Opinions" are a touchy subject. Most of the opinions people throw about are because they have various assumptions, which typically are incorrect.

    Windows 8 is two OS's, and it's a transitionary OS from one to another. One should look at this as they would any appliance they might buy. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Don't whine because it's not a different appliance, but rather buy that other appliance instead.

    In other words, if you want Windows 8 to be Windows 7, you will be disappointed. It doesn't matter if your opinion is honest or not. Windows 8 is *NOT* Windows 7, so complaining that it's not is pointless.
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  5. #125


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I'm assuming that Microsoft is reading these forums.
    I seriously doubt that anyone at Microsoft is reading these forums. They likely have their hands full with their own community forums.

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  6. #126


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    "Honest Opinions" are a touchy subject. Most of the opinions people throw about are because they have various assumptions, which typically are incorrect.

    Windows 8 is two OS's, and it's a transitionary OS from one to another. One should look at this as they would any appliance they might buy. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Don't whine because it's not a different appliance, but rather buy that other appliance instead.

    In other words, if you want Windows 8 to be Windows 7, you will be disappointed. It doesn't matter if your opinion is honest or not. Windows 8 is *NOT* Windows 7, so complaining that it's not is pointless.
    That's not totally fair. If you want to keep your system up to date so that it runs the latest releases, has the best protection against malware and viruses.... or you want a new system, at some point you will be forced to upgrade. Companies just can't continue to support old operating systems forever.

    And I question the need for two operating systems on one system. There is no reason that you cannot run Windows Metro apps on an updated Windows operating system. Hell I have been running Android apps on my Windows 7 system pretty much seamlessly for some time now. If a third party vendor can make an emulator for Windows 7, why can't MS make an even better one?

    Right now I have very little use for Metro. That will ONLY change IF somehow MS can lure me (and other people) away from the iPhone and Android to a Windows 8 phone/tablet. They are just too far behind right now but I think Metro is a way to try and force the issue.
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  7. #127


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    Quote Originally Posted by darvin View Post
    That's not totally fair. If you want to keep your system up to date so that it runs the latest releases, has the best protection against malware and viruses.... or you want a new system, at some point you will be forced to upgrade. Companies just can't continue to support old operating systems forever.
    Then I suggest you convince your application developers to continue supporting Windows 7 for a long time to come.

    Quote Originally Posted by darvin View Post
    And I question the need for two operating systems on one system. There is no reason that you cannot run Windows Metro apps on an updated Windows operating system. Hell I have been running Android apps on my Windows 7 system pretty much seamlessly for some time now. If a third party vendor can make an emulator for Windows 7, why can't MS make an even better one?
    You are still not understanding. The purpose of Windows 8 is to be a transitionary OS. The purpose is not to have 2 OS's. The purpose is to move people to using Metro. This will be a long process which will require both OS's to be present for a long time to come.

    If you simply put 8 on tablets and phones, then desktop users would never be able to migrate.

    Quote Originally Posted by darvin View Post
    Right now I have very little use for Metro. That will ONLY change IF somehow MS can lure me (and other people) away from the iPhone and Android to a Windows 8 phone/tablet. They are just too far behind right now but I think Metro is a way to try and force the issue.
    I'm seeing a lot of people migrating to Windows Phone 8 from iPhones and Android devices. Particularly developers. They see Metro as a new frontier where they have a chance to make a name for themselves. It's hard to compete in existing ecosystems. Why would someone buy your note taking app when they already have 300 of them?

    And android is a wasteland as far as most apps are concerned. Companies like Rovio all but stopped trying to get users to purchase apps, because Android users don't buy apps. And apple's approval process is way too strict for many developers.
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  8. #128


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    Windows 8 Pro


    Windows 8 to me is not 2 OS's. It support 2 different type of apps. Metro Apps and Desktop apps.


    Desktop apps is just regular Windows software. They are more advanced than Metro apps. More features and looks more professional. These will not run on the Windows RT Surface tablet.

    Metro apps are basic and not as polished. Not as many features as Desktop apps. Will run on the desktop PC and Windows RT.
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  9. #129


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    No. Metro is a totally different OS. It's not Win32. That's the thing most people don't understand.

    Metro apps are as much a different OS as OSX is, or Android is, or iOS is..
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  10. #130


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Then I suggest you convince your application developers to continue supporting Windows 7 for a long time to come.

    You are still not understanding. The purpose of Windows 8 is to be a transitionary OS. The purpose is not to have 2 OS's. The purpose is to move people to using Metro. This will be a long process which will require both OS's to be present for a long time to come.

    If you simply put 8 on tablets and phones, then desktop users would never be able to migrate.

    I'm seeing a lot of people migrating to Windows Phone 8 from iPhones and Android devices. Particularly developers. They see Metro as a new frontier where they have a chance to make a name for themselves. It's hard to compete in existing ecosystems. Why would someone buy your note taking app when they already have 300 of them?

    And android is a wasteland as far as most apps are concerned. Companies like Rovio all but stopped trying to get users to purchase apps, because Android users don't buy apps. And apple's approval process is way too strict for many developers.
    Look I have worked in QE (QA) and no matter how loud you scream or cry you're not going to convince a company to continue to test all operating systems. They just don't have the bandwidth or the money. So as I said, the average users is forced to update. It's a real world problem but not one that I personally have. But to ignore it is to just put blinders on and bang the MS drum blindly.

    I am not saying that it's not a transnational OS. There is just little to no integration between the two at this time. This is why it creates a number of problems for the traditional Windows user. There should have been more transition built in to the OS. That could appease both the average user and the IT guys.

    Why couldn't they just have run Metro as a desktop app? It could be kept running in the background and updating all the time. Instead, it's the main screen when you start. Do you really think anyone running a desktop at a company has any use for that? Of course not. They want to get to the apps they use to get their work done. But as is obvious from the outcry, they feel Metro gets in the way of work.

    Look, you are thinking I personally somehow don't like Windows 8. But I know I can configure it the way I want it. My doctor, my boss, my mom, sister.... the average user will be frustrated and I doubt it's in any way going to get them to give up their iPhone or Android. Developers can develop all they want. If no one is using it, it does little good.

    From my Google search, it appears that income for developers that develop both iPhone and Android apps are seeing about a 60% - 80% return on their Android sales. The concept that developers are not seeing income from Android apps is simple to disprove and I cannot imagine that anyone is yet to see large profits from Windows phones. There just are not enough of them. Besides, free apps are often paid for by ads.

    Why should someone buy your note app? Unless it's a much better one, one worth the money, then why bother to make one?

    FWIW, I want Windows 8 to succeed. But I have a feeling this may go the way of Windows Me. Regardless I am a long time Windows fan and I will be using 8 at least until 9 arrives. So don't feel you need to convince me.

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