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Is Start Menu really matter?

  1. #91


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Ok, I tried that and all I get are links from one folder and none of the others that I have in the desktop version. There's no hierarchical order to the links, it's just flat. Also, it's very hard to select a link, as all that shows is an endless line of blue squares with the site name at the bottom of each square (far too much wasted space). The drop down box method in the traditional desktop is far more effective and efficient.

    My point about the less mouse-friendly nature of Windows 8 is because it now requires more use of keyboard to find things. You can't just click on the Control Panel icon and get the control panel etc, you need to type in Control Panel and find your selection, and then you go to the desktop where the mouse suddenly becomes useful again.
    You see, this is where the discussion gets going. If you don't like the IE metro version, there are other metro browsers out there and then there are lots of desktop browsers. Why expect metro IE to be everything to everyone and satisfaction for all. If you don't like it try something else or learn how to use it better.

    Totally disagree on less mouse friendly POV. Control Panel is available from many sources. Start Screen, apps, WinX, Charms, taskbar, desktop icon and more. 8 does not require more use of the keyboard to find things.

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  2. #92


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    Windows 8.1 Professional x64


    You can also pin the control panel icon to the main start screen as well.
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  3. #93


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Given that I have a lot of screen real estate on my desktop (to host visible links etc), having to look for hidden controls designed for a much smaller screen to find the same, is another example of why the Modern interface isn't ideal for everyone.
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  4. #94


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Given that I have a lot of screen real estate on my desktop (to host visible links etc), having to look for hidden controls designed for a much smaller screen to find the same, is another example of why the Modern interface isn't ideal for everyone.
    Hidden controls? OMG. Have you ever used Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Suse or Apple computers? Everything is a hunt.
    From my POV, I like hidden controls. It creates a cleaner environment.

    Is this better? Curious now. What is your opinion of this? You like?

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  5. #95


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    I've used Ubuntu and I'm now trying Mint (much better) and both (Ubuntu with Gnome put back in) work like Windows 7 and the menus cascade the same as in Windows 7. I prefer a minimalist approach rather than filling my screen with icons, that's why I like the start button for less used programs and the task bar for often used programs. I don't have to go left, right, bottom left, top right to find some control. But that's why I have Classic Shell enabled with Windows 8, I get the full Windows 7 user experience.
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  6. #96


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    Thanks Ray8.

    I have also used the Classic Shell in the past (not with 8). It is a nice program. There are many others as well.
    Sorry about the nit picking, but if anyone uses a start menu (or cascading menu), (or desktop icons)
    ... > they must go left or right, up or down, or along the scroll bar the same way and click or double click.
    They must find the icon.

    The airplane / mechanical / civil engineer is about to say the orby is more efficient...the ss takes one away from the desktop.... oh well... (I like being taken away from the desktop view - a screen saver takes one away from the desktop view) (so does a trip to the coffee machine)

    If one finds tiles, the start screen or the apps area to be annoying, ugly or grotesque, inefficient, jarring, unintuitive, repugnant, wasteful, distracting, or useless, then Windows 8 will not do.

    If one hides the desktop icons, then they must select to show the desktop to view them. It is a controversy on efficiency. It only takes microseconds to start screen and desktop (or thumbnails) or seconds from apps to run something. So, from my POV, 8 works very well. (not you) It is also unfair to malign an 8 user stating that they are not serious, that they are playing (not you). One could say the same about anyone or anything or the user of any Operating System. Thanks Again. Here's my minimalist approach.

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    This is mine:

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    I have a couple of shortcuts on the screen which I use a lot, but don't want to mix with the taskbar links. I also just like to have the clock and calendar on the screen.
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  8. #98


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    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Mine.... Classic Start installed and Quick-Launch enabled.

    Metro is NOT disabled, as I use both it and the Orb.
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  9. #99


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    Your Point?


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    If inaccurate statements continue to be made, corrections will be made.
    On the start screen, winkey is not needed to search.
    "On the Start Screen, winkey is not needed to search" = "In the Start Menu, winkey is not needed to search"
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    If inaccurate statements continue to be made, corrections will be made.
    On the start screen, winkey is not needed to search.
    "On the Start Screen, winkey is not needed to search" = "In the Start Menu, winkey is not needed to search"
    Your Point?
    The Start Menu has an icon or orb that must be clicked (or winkey) to see its contents and the search entry point. It's hard to describe if you do not use 8, sort of, but if you are looking at the start screen, all one need do is type a few letters and instantly something appears... no need to press enter either.

    Before someone gets picky: in 7 and previous and elsewhere, you have to press enter twice:
    once to initiate a search and again to execute - in 8 only once (from the start screen) ... it is only to execute a program. Of course there are other search methods (like from charms) that require (more) a typical amount of keystrokes.

    Designing search for the Start screen - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

    Of course there are opinions that vary about preference.
    From the Microsoft blog: (you don't have to believe it - opinions vary)
    These are the Microsoft statistics:

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