Windows 8 killed my PC - Interesting Reading

Put on your Pith Helmet, Chest Protector, Shin Guards and Steel Toed Shoes. You are about to be run over by the Windows 8 Advocate group :D

(Great article by the way)
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but why is it Microsoft's fault if the hardware manufactures aren't providing Windows 8 compatible software? Shouldn't it be up to them to be on the ball and make sure everything is in place ready?

I think the hardware manufacturers should to be a bit more proactive myself and need a swift kick up the behind. As an example, Samsung released the latest version of their SSD Magician software just two days before Windows 8 was officially released to the public, but yet it still has to be installed in compatibility mode. Why? It wasn't exactly a secret that Windows 8 was just about to be released mainstream, but for some reason they didn't deem it important?
 

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    Win 8 64-bit
Yes, it's an interesting article.

You would normally get a hammering for daring to post anything that didn't praise MS to the highest.

Now ZT and I have mentioned it - the fanboys will probably not be so harsh on you
 

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It is interesting and relevant. I am struggling with a windows 8 upgrade on my home computer, it keeps BSoDing even after a fresh install and I'm reluctant to go back to 7 as I love many of 8's features and my PC at work is running it with no problems but at the moment a roll back to 7 is looking likely as I need my PC to just work!
 

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    Windows 8 Pro 64bit
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    Home Build
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    Intel Core i7 2600K @ 3.40GHz
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    ASUSTeK Computer INC. P8Z68-V GEN3 (LGA1155)
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    Corsair Vengance LP 16GB (4x4GB) 1600MHz 9-9-9-24 1.5v CL9
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    512MB GeForce 8400GS (Gigabyte) 2047MB GeForce GTX 560 Ti (CardExpert Technology)
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    onboard
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    30Mbps Cable
Correct me if I'm wrong, but why is it Microsoft's fault if the hardware manufactures aren't providing Windows 8 compatible software? Shouldn't it be up to them to be on the ball and make sure everything is in place ready?

I think the hardware manufacturers should to be a bit more proactive myself and need a swift kick up the behind. As an example, Samsung released the latest version of their SSD Magician software just two days before Windows 8 was officially released to the public, but yet it still has to be installed in compatibility mode. Why? It wasn't exactly a secret that Windows 8 was just about to be released mainstream, but for some reason they didn't deem it important?


That is exactly right... This is the same BS issue with Vista. OEM's and 3rd Party Dev's dragging their feet, yet, who is to blame? MS?

Really? This is the most inane, ignorant way of thinking imaginable.

Let's blame Yugo cause they don't have parts to install their engine in my Ford F150.
 

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  • OS
    Win 8.1 Pro
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    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Self Built
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    I7-3770K
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    ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77
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    CORSAIR 8GB 2X4 D3 1866
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    EVGA GTX680 4GB
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    ASUS 24" LED VG248QE
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    SAMSUNG E 256GB SSD 840 PRO -
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    CORSAIR GS800
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    CORSAIR 600T
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    CORSAIR HYDRO H100I LIQUID COOLER
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    THERMALTA CHALLENGER ULT GAME-KYBRD
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    RAZER DEATHADDER GAME MS BLK-ED
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    Windows Defender
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The issue is that MS seems always to blame everybody else.

They complained the oem' were making poor machines - that doesn't make sense. The oem's are in business, they are trying to maximize their sales - they are not lazy or stupid.

MS also blame the customers for not liking the product they are offering.

A quite absurd post from Stevie S trotting out that rubbish about people fearing change.

Total nonsense.

You can see the users point of view. MS don't make machines ( ok they are now making a very small number of Surfi ), they rely on oem's to sell their product.

The oem's are supposed to be partners. You would think they would work together - to the user it seems something is not going right.

I might add that Samsung are shipping machines with win8 on them - to which they have added their own start menu. Clearly they think their customers will want something MS have taken away to try and monetarise them.
 

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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin
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    PC/Desktop
"Apparently, certain critical parts on my computer just have no Windows 8 drivers available. The driver that they think is the problem was for my controller. It was made by a small company named Intel – yes, Intel (INTC). So apparently Microsoft didn't get Intel to update the drivers for their controller on my particular model. The engineers went on to blame my PC manufacturer for other compatibility issues. The solution? Call the manufacturer and get a Windows 7 recovery disk and reinstall my old operating system. (Microsoft later sent me a fresh copy of Windows 7 through the mail)."

Intel made no drivers for a critical component in a laptop with an Intel chipset and CPU? Really? Which driver is that?

The whole thing smells a little off. "Windows 8 killed my PC" is a title I'd expect to be written by a technical illiterate, but the author said something about swapping in a spinner HD because there might be a problem with Windows 8, the Z580, and an SSD.

If there's a sequel to this that's a little more focused on facts, I'd like to read it.
 

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  • OS
    Window 8 Pro
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    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
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    I7-3930k
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    Asus P9X79 Pro
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    16 GB Gskill DDR3-2133
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    eVGA GTX 680
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    Soundblaster Zx
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    Asus PA246Q
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    1920X1200
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    Corsair Force GT 120GB
    WD Cavair Black 1.5TB
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    PC Power & cooling Silencer 750
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    Silverstone FT02B-W
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    Noctua NH-D14 w/ PWM fans
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    cheap Logitech USB wired
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    old 5 button Microsoft USB optical
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    6Mb cable
The issue is that MS seems always to blame everybody else.

They complained the oem' were making poor machines - that doesn't make sense. The oem's are in business, they are trying to maximize their sales - they are not lazy or stupid.

MS also blame the customers for not liking the product they are offering.

A quite absurd post from Stevie S trotting out that rubbish about people fearing change.

Total nonsense.

You can see the users point of view. MS don't make machines ( ok they are now making a very small number of Surfi ), they rely on oem's to sell their product.

The oem's are supposed to be partners. You would think they would work together - to the user it seems something is not going right.

I might add that Samsung are shipping machines with win8 on them - to which they have added their own start menu. Clearly they think their customers will want something MS have taken away to try and monetarise them.

Yes, the OEM's did make poor machines, regardless of what the recommneded specs said, it was up to the OEM's to build a better product, they failed to do so. MS doens't control the OEM's way of doing things, just as OEM's don't control MS way of doing things.
You would think the R&D dept were smart enough to know better. But let's face it, They are in it to make money, and most of these OEM's think they are big enough they won't fail no matter how many people they piddle off,, like wise can be said for MS, but, the onus is on the OEM's to build a proper PC around the OS, not the other way around.

It's more than likely the bean counters as these OEM's they made the final decision, and they screwed Vista over more than MS, as Vista was a perfectly good OS on the right hardware. that's an OEM mistake not Vista/MS.

but that's a dead horse, but here we are again. With an article that blames Win8 for the faults of the OEM.
 

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Why do you think the Fruit Company control the hardware?

Buy a Mac it runs MacOSX.

Buy a PC and it might run Windows.

It's up to you to buy something compatible with the OS not for the OS manufacturer to ensure it works on every conceivable config! If the OEM says its Win8 compatible and it's not it's their fault not M$.
 

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    Win 8
While the article is very interesting, and I get the user's frustration, the hardware they purchased was designed for Windows 7, and it was a Lenovo. While anyone in IT will know Lenovo driver updates are slow (at best), and generally require software to be installed to unlock full functionality, I wouldn't necessarily expect end-users to know that. However, I also wouldn't expect many of them to upgrade to Windows 8 either, and apparently neither does Lenovo. I'll also agree that it isn't Microsoft's fault that drivers for the device don't work on Windows 8, as that's Lenovo's job, but I would want to see more integration between Microsoft and the larger OEMs that do pretty badly at this, like Lenovo, to get things working on stuff at least released in the last 12 months or so working with the new OS at or near release.

To an end-user, this is going to be a Microsoft problem, regardless of where the actual problem is, so it might behoove Microsoft to get out in front of it, because perception is reality. For a good example, most people asked about it would respond that "Vista sucks!", even thought it's factually a fine OS nowadays - the perception that was reality before SP1 and major OEMs and vendors got drivers working stays the perceptible reality nowadays, even if perception and reality no longer meet in the same place.
 

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    Windows 8.1 x64
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    PC/Desktop
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    Custom
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    Intel Core i7 4790K @ 4.5GHz
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    Asus Maximus Hero VII
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    Corsair AX760i
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While the article is very interesting, and I get the user's frustration, the hardware they purchased was designed for Windows 7, and it was a Lenovo. While anyone in IT will know Lenovo driver updates are slow (at best), and generally require software to be installed to unlock full functionality, I wouldn't necessarily expect end-users to know that. However, I also wouldn't expect many of them to upgrade to Windows 8 either, and apparently neither does Lenovo. I'll also agree that it isn't Microsoft's fault that drivers for the device don't work on Windows 8, as that's Lenovo's job, but I would want to see more integration between Microsoft and the larger OEMs that do pretty badly at this, like Lenovo, to get things working on stuff at least released in the last 12 months or so working with the new OS at or near release.

To an end-user, this is going to be a Microsoft problem, regardless of where the actual problem is, so it might behoove Microsoft to get out in front of it, because perception is reality. For a good example, most people asked about it would respond that "Vista sucks!", even thought it's factually a fine OS nowadays - the perception that was reality before SP1 and major OEMs and vendors got drivers working stays the perceptible reality nowadays, even if perception and reality no longer meet in the same place.

I had a computer emergency a few years ago, and needed to get a new computer right away. I picked up some Compaq thing at Staples. It came loaded with Vista SP1. It was really nice, and I didn't get all the Vista Fail stuff. I upgraded it to Win7, only because I got a terrific deal as a college professor. It runs Win7 so beautifully. Now I'm dual booting with Win8, and I don't see any real big win over Vista/7, but what the hey. Excelsior!
 

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  • OS
    Windows 7
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    Compac Presario SR5518F
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    Dual Pentium E2180 (2 GHz)
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    MS-7525 (Boston)
    Memory
    4 GB
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    Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT
I was on the Acer website the other day, and they have Win 8 drivers available for their recent Win 7 machines.

Although having said that, most of the W7 drivers for this machine work fine on W8.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)
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    Acer Aspire Ethos AS8951G 'Super-Laptop'.
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    Intel Sandy-Bridge i7-2670QM quad-core
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    Acer
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    8GB DDR3
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    2x750GB Toshiba internal, 1x500GB Seagate external, 1x2TB Seagate external, 1x640GB Toshiba pocket-drive, 1x640GB Samsung pocket drive.
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