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  1. #11


    I wish they would update the font system in windows 8. It feels the same and it just doesn't organize fonts well. It becomes an issue when fonts are categorized incorrectly. Metro does indeed get in the way depending on what you do. I think if they had done a bit more to the desktop and found a better way to design the user-interface everything could be great to use. But they focused too much on metro and even that side is pretty blah.

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  2. #12


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by tseven View Post
    I wish they would update the font system in windows 8. It feels the same and it just doesn't organize fonts well. It becomes an issue when fonts are categorized incorrectly. Metro does indeed get in the way depending on what you do. I think if they had done a bit more to the desktop and found a better way to design the user-interface everything could be great to use. But they focused too much on metro and even that side is pretty blah.
    Yeah, it's unfortunate. It really is a good system. I was really beginning to believe it might work out in my situation: it seemed like a pretty cool machine environment. I liked being able to pop in and out of the desktop into another "world". But then the little gotchas started accumulating and I started the process of making it work. I went out and bought an entirely new photo printer. Not that much, but $125 I would not have spent otherwise. OK, so I'll give the old one to my daughter, she can use it. Then I noticed the font I prefer to code in no longer worked. OK ... just select another one. My eyes aren't crazy about it but what the heck? Then I started having problems with the MSDN help system. OK ... I can go to the web-based version. Then when I couldn't resolve the problem with the disconnect from the office machine I started to realize that it just wasn't going to fly right now. I also realized that I wasn't even using Metro, really. Like many folks I was just tweaking it so it was a later version of Windows 7. No sense in that.

    I think that maybe, just maybe, Microsoft has tried to do too much by marrying the new GUI and keeping the old one. I really thought they might have pulled it off, and they still might. However it might have just made more sense to write a completely separate O/S for the tablet machines and leave desktop Windows alone and let it continue to be refined on its own path. Now that I've used the thing full-time for a month I'm more persuaded of my original position: that it's not a particularly good fit for a desktop system.

    I was indeed impressed at how well the system updated my development environment. Most everything except a few drivers worked without any changes. Darn the thing is close ... however day by day I kept being tempted to return to Win7 so I could focus on something besides tinkering with the O/S. I've been here before - stuck tinkering with the O/S when I'd rather be getting serious work done. Not this time. One month is enough. Actually ... this whole thing has distracted me on-and-off since August of last year. Time to cut my losses and move on!

    I'm happy with Win7. It will be supported for a long, long time. I think I'll do what my original gut instinct told me to do and just drive the wheels off this one!

    -Max
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  3. #13


    Madrid, Spain
    Posts : 228
    Windows 8.1 x64


    For me it is the opposite.

    As much as W8 irritated me until I got rid of the charms, corners and metro, it has been the best OS I have ever run. Everything works flawless, better than ever, even my printer, scanner, fax, phones... anything I connect is recognized in a moment and runs flawless. My laptop is a bit old and the difference in performance with W7 is very noticeable. Needless to say that compared to Vista (the OS this laptop originally had) it is a lightning.
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  4. #14


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by kmint View Post
    For me it is the opposite.

    As much as W8 irritated me until I got rid of the charms, corners and metro, it has been the best OS I have ever run. Everything works flawless, better than ever, even my printer, scanner, fax, phones... anything I connect is recognized in a moment and runs flawless. My laptop is a bit old and the difference in performance with W7 is very noticeable. Needless to say that compared to Vista (the OS this laptop originally had) it is a lightning.
    Glad to hear that it's working out. The thing has potential all right. YMMV I guess!

    -Max
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  5. #15


    Posts : 239
    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    I've been running Win8 alongside Win7 on my laptop (separate partition) and I jump into Win8 from time to time but really haven't seen any of those real world benefits. Those benefits vary of course from individual to individual. Speed improvements, well I haven't experienced any although Win8 did feel snappier when I first installed it. Until of course I started installing programs then it was the same as Win7.

    Like you Max I played around with 8, trying to make it look like Win7 but then the pennies inside the head dropped and I wondered why I was bothering to take a new OS and adding stuff so it looked like what I already have. In reality it never did really look the same as there are limitations on how far you can go with customisation with 8 in desktop mode. But I'm sure that if someone else releases another add-on then I'll probably be the first in the queue to try it!!! LOL

    The Metro (aka Modern) UI surely has divided folks though. It's a love/hate situation as far as the desktop/laptop market is concerned. I'm sure MS felt the need to jump into the tablet/phone arena with a big urgent rubber stamp plastered all over the project. Why they didn't offer a choice of UI at install time; I guess we'll all be talking about that one until the end of days.

    But I'll continue to play with 8 along with the various Linux distros when I've got time on my hands. But when I need to get down to some real work then it's back to Win7. Shame as I'm sure under the hood there are some real world benefits lurking but they're just not for me. If Win8 works for you then fine. If it doesn't then stay with 7.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I can understand your frustration Max. Sounds like not all your drivers are fully updated yet. Can I ask a few questions?

    What are you using to connect to your work system? Is it a vpn? Is it the built-in VPN or a third party one? I've had not problems with the built-in PPTP and my wifes Cisco VPN have worked flawlessly. It could be a problem with your network driver, and if you're using a laptop, it could be related to the power savings features that turn off the network adapter to save power (these can interfere with a solid connection like a vpn).

    I actually quite like metro. I've found a number of apps that I use all the time. OneNote MX is very nice. PC Monitor is very cool, it allows you to keep track of all your PC's in a single interface. I like many of the small little tools that are easy to find. Many of these are available in Win32 as well (or similar) but I find the store apps better because they don't dump stray dll's into your system and do a complete cleanup when you remove them.
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  7. #17


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    I can understand your frustration Max. Sounds like not all your drivers are fully updated yet. Can I ask a few questions?
    Sure. No problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    What are you using to connect to your work system? Is it a vpn? Is it the built-in VPN or a third party one? I've had not problems with the built-in PPTP and my wifes Cisco VPN have worked flawlessly. It could be a problem with your network driver, and if you're using a laptop, it could be related to the power savings features that turn off the network adapter to save power (these can interfere with a solid connection like a vpn).
    We use the Juniper Network client to connect to our desktops through the corporate LAN. I'm not familiar with what tunneling protocol it uses ... it seems to be a VPN tunnel that lets us get at the remote desktop feature of our machines at the office. I have zero trouble with it under Win7. My machine is a laptop (desktop replacement) system, yes, but I seriously doubt that it has anything to do with the network adapter. The timeout seemed variable depending on how active I was keeping the connection. The timeout would happen faster if I was doing any fast typing or GUI operations ... slower if I was doing less with the connection. Annoying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    I actually quite like metro. I've found a number of apps that I use all the time. OneNote MX is very nice. PC Monitor is very cool, it allows you to keep track of all your PC's in a single interface. I like many of the small little tools that are easy to find. Many of these are available in Win32 as well (or similar) but I find the store apps better because they don't dump stray dll's into your system and do a complete cleanup when you remove them.
    I don't really have any problem with Metro either. As y'all have seen, I've been full-circle with the thing. If it weren't for those few glitches that I considered "show stoppers" I'd probably have left my Win8 configuration alone. I even bought a copy of Start8 which worked fantastically well: I was able to have my full Win7 environment and still able to go over and experiment with Metro stuff without disturbing anything. From a "likability" standpoint I have absolutely no problems with Win8 here.

    However, after being back on 7 for a day or so it has occurred to me that I'm not missing anything that Win8 was providing. That kind of proves to me how relatively useless the Metro side was to me. To me it was more of a curiosity than anything else. I used it to play Solitaire and that's about it. Now, if I had bought and installed some applications in Metro that became critical to me then it might be different but I had not gotten to that point yet. As for tablets and phones ... I'm pretty well tied to the Apple ecosystem so I'm not likely to get a Surface or a Windows Phone either. At this point Metro is a dead-end for me.

    None of this is to be viewed as an indictment of Win8, it's just seeming to me that it's not a necessary upgrade unless you're looking for some specific features it has. I think Microsoft is going to have to overcome that inertia if they're going to make this work in the long run. They've got their job cut out for them.

    -Max
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  8. #18


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    We use the Juniper Network client to connect to our desktops through the corporate LAN. I'm not familiar with what tunneling protocol it uses ... it seems to be a VPN tunnel that lets us get at the remote desktop feature of our machines at the office. I have zero trouble with it under Win7. My machine is a laptop (desktop replacement) system, yes, but I seriously doubt that it has anything to do with the network adapter. The timeout seemed variable depending on how active I was keeping the connection. The timeout would happen faster if I was doing any fast typing or GUI operations ... slower if I was doing less with the connection. Annoying.
    I would check the power management settings, there is an option in them to power down the network adapter. Turn that off. Even if you don't think it's the problem, at least you can rule it out.

    It's funny, but I saw behavior like that when I used Windows 7 under a VMware virtual machine. For some reason, VPN's would randomly (and frequently) disconnect.. It didn't happen on the host OS, only under the virtual one.
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  9. #19


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    We use the Juniper Network client to connect to our desktops through the corporate LAN. I'm not familiar with what tunneling protocol it uses ... it seems to be a VPN tunnel that lets us get at the remote desktop feature of our machines at the office. I have zero trouble with it under Win7. My machine is a laptop (desktop replacement) system, yes, but I seriously doubt that it has anything to do with the network adapter. The timeout seemed variable depending on how active I was keeping the connection. The timeout would happen faster if I was doing any fast typing or GUI operations ... slower if I was doing less with the connection. Annoying.
    I would check the power management settings, there is an option in them to power down the network adapter. Turn that off. Even if you don't think it's the problem, at least you can rule it out.

    It's funny, but I saw behavior like that when I used Windows 7 under a VMware virtual machine. For some reason, VPN's would randomly (and frequently) disconnect.. It didn't happen on the host OS, only under the virtual one.
    Thanks. If I decide to retool back to Win8 at some point I'll keep that in mind.

    -Max
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  10. #20


    UK
    Posts : 177
    Win 8


    Metro the interface for the terminally stupid! The underlying OS works very nicely just needs a proper usable UI. This could be the time that Linux, Google an OSX kill off M$. They have provided a problem for a solution.

    No one wanted a mobile version of windows. No one wanted a windows tablet. They still don't but now we have an OS for something that no one wants. What we do want is a proper desktop / laptop OS because no one else did it better until now!
    Last edited by steveb; 26 Dec 2012 at 11:01.
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