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The direction of Windows

  1. #1


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    The direction of Windows


    Windows is heading in the mobile direction, with under powered mobile PCs for outrageous prices. RT makes me shiver, and the next OS could even force me to a Mac.

    But then again, begging for a start menu won't bring it back. MS isn't accepting the idea, and 8 would look strange without metro and the flattened look.

    Officially, we're not getting aero. The point of buying 16 GB of RAM has been ruined, other than for gaming. People have gone out of there way for aero graphic cards. But why?

    Is it going to get better, or worse?

    TheGrantFitz


    PS: I loved 8 in every beta, but where is my eye-candy?

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    If you bought 16gb of ram for gaming, than that is sad.
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    Posts : 248
    Windows 8 RTM (Retinas taking damage...)


    16GB of ram is for stuff like photoshop and matlab. Consumer graphics cards are for games. Workstation graphics cards are for cad/compute/photoshop/whatever. Aero for windows 7 will run on any new shitty laptop now, with almost no memory or graphical overhead. Totally miss the eye candy though.
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  4. #4


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    Those "under powered mobile PCs" have pretty expensive screens and rather expensive, thin, and large batteries on them - the parts that actually matter to most business persons and everyday consumers alike (what does it look like and can I stare at it for a long time, oh and how long can it stay on before I have to plug in again). If you consider that a decent smartphone actually costs the handset manufacturer a few hundred US dollars a unit to design and manufacture, and those are then sold for more by carriers (either up front off-contract or over time with a phone/data plan), getting a computing device that can do those everyday tasks with a relatively easy on the eyes (and larger) screen with a battery that puts out a charge for 8-10 hours (and doesn't weigh a metric ton) is not that unimpressive.

    But I think as a whole we've slowly been conditioned that these "tablet thingies" should cost around 200 USD simply because they use lower-powered RISC devices rather than the traditional screaming CISC design, without realizing what that means in terms of build quality, component quality, design goals, and other limitations at the bottom, is where that perception and reality start to diverge into oblivion. For example, I don't use a Kindle fire to do anything but read eBooks and play the odd game when I grab it off the table, but I wouldn't take it with me to try and do work on when I'm at a customer, have it be good enough to do that compared to a laptop 3x it's size and weight, and then still have the capability and battery life to also survive the 4 hour plane ride home while I use it to watch a movie, finish up the day's reports, and have a quick go at browsing the internet (with some juice to spare, no less).

    It's OK for anyone out there to feel like somehow the devices like the Surface and other Win8 or WinRT tablet/convertible designs are overpriced and that they are somehow getting screwed at the register during check-out, but it doesn't make it a reality.
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    I don't know about the manufacturing costs in that industry.

    However, I did read mini ipad costs about $49 to make.

    There are a lot mark ups after that.

    Whatever it is, it is a fraction of the retail price.
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    Just about every thing is over priced these days.
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  7. #7


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    Quote Originally Posted by jbfoster View Post
    Just about every thing is over priced these days.
    I don't agree, computers are cheap these day, I remember the day a floppy drive was the price of a recent notebook. A 22" monitor is $ 100 - 120, this is very cheap. A DVDRW is $ 16 , did you see the parts in a dvdrw ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jbfoster View Post
    Just about every thing is over priced these days.
    I don't agree, computers are cheap these day, I remember the day a floppy drive was the price of a recent notebook. A 22" monitor is $ 100 - 120, this is very cheap. A DVDRW is $ 16 , did you see the parts in a dvdrw ?
    Most items are overpriced because of inflation these days. It's eating all of us alive.

    But when it comes to electronics, it starts out a little high, but drops after a short time. Here's an exert from Wikipedia on the first desktop PC:

    The Programma 101 was the first commercial "desktop computer". Produced by Italian manufacturer Olivetti, it was launched at the 1964 New York World's Fair, volume production started in 1965. A futuristic design for its time, the Programma 101 was priced at $3,200 ($23,000 if adjusted to 2011). About 44,000 units were sold, primarily in the US.
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    Windows 8 RTM (Retinas taking damage...)


    A 24'' IPS cost $300-500 4 years ago. A 24'' IPS costs $300-$500 today. Steady march of progress, right?(end unrelated monitor rant)

    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    It's OK for anyone out there to feel like somehow the devices like the Surface and other Win8 or WinRT tablet/convertible designs are overpriced and that they are somehow getting screwed at the register during check-out, but it doesn't make it a reality.
    A WinRT tablet has almost arguably inferior hardware to the iPad, and has practically equivalent hardware with cheaper Android tabs. But since it's running "windows," I'm not getting screwed over at all.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrantFitz View Post
    Windows is heading in the mobile direction, with under powered mobile PCs for outrageous prices. RT makes me shiver, and the next OS could even force me to a Mac.

    But then again, begging for a start menu won't bring it back. MS isn't accepting the idea, and 8 would look strange without metro and the flattened look.

    Officially, we're not getting aero. The point of buying 16 GB of RAM has been ruined, other than for gaming. People have gone out of there way for aero graphic cards. But why?

    Is it going to get better, or worse?

    TheGrantFitz


    PS: I loved 8 in every beta, but where is my eye-candy?
    OSX and iOS are merging as well. Furthermore, with few exceptions, it won't be long before 'desktop computing' as we know it is gone, replaced by devices connecting to either public or private clouds. As things stand now, Citrix, Microsoft and VMware all have technologies which allow a server to handle the graphics processing for a remote desktop instance.
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