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  1. #21


    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jbfoster View Post
    Just about every thing is over priced these days.
    I don't agree, computers are cheap these day, I remember the day a floppy drive was the price of a recent notebook. A 22" monitor is $ 100 - 120, this is very cheap. A DVDRW is $ 16 , did you see the parts in a dvdrw ?
    My first 20 meg hard drive was $400. My first color monitor, a 15" VGA CRT, was $360 and that was a great deal at the time. Back in the day, RAM was $100 a megabyte.

    Other things have held their prices pretty well. Twenty years ago, a lawn tractor was about $1,200. Today you can buy a better tractor for the same price. Thirty years ago, I paid about $50 for a pair of Nike shoes, I just bought a pair of New Balance for $65.

    Too bad cars aren't doing the same thing.

    ETA: Back in 1976 when I started college, I bought a portable typewriter for $129.99. My TI scientific calculator cost about $100. In today's money, that's about $600 and $500, respectively.

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  2. #22


    Quote Originally Posted by Kebero View Post
    Cloud computing isn't some grand scheme to slowly drain money out of people's pockets. It's a natural evolution of an increasingly interconnected world. The nature of computing is shifting - things are becoming distributed across networks of various sorts.
    I agree. People more than ever have a desire to have their "data" everywhere, at any time from any device.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kebero View Post
    Office 365 has a subscription fee, but you also have the option of buying the stand-alone version of Office or using Office for free via SkyDrive or Google Docs. I can guarantee you that companies like Microsoft and Terramark also keep their data centres secured. They aren't just going to have servers someone can randomly get into whenever they want. This doesn't even begin to address the concept of a private cloud, where a company's internal data centre handles the distributed computing.
    It's not as if companies/individuals were getting things like Office for free anyway. (except for those who pirate). These subscription services take away all of the IT hassle, keep you up to date on the latest versions and most often resolve issues before you knew that you were even going to have them. Upgrading is also a snap, because it just happens automatically.

    As far as security in the cloud goes....I'd bet that the security in many of these data centers is better that that which the average joe maintains on his own home computer.
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  3. #23


    Regarding the future of windows I am rather concerned. Win 8 has now devolved, instead of evolved. Some items that were common place and part of windows have now been segregated and are being offered 'at a price'. I do not agree with this at all, its grossly unfair and exploitation of windows users.

    I know quite a few friends are changing to Linux Maya etc because its quick easy to use and full of freebies. I am a new Win 8 user on my pc, but my laptop (Win 7) is now dual boot with Linux Mint Maya as I investigate this avenue.
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kebero View Post
    You aren't that familiar with the concepts of cloud computing, are you?
    So you limit could computing only to storage spaces ? and you ask me if I know about cloud computing ?

    what about Desktop virtualisation ? where the OS will run on clouds servers ? ( this is where I start my conspiracy, where you gone have a monthly bill)


    Quote Originally Posted by Kebero View Post
    Office 365 has a subscription fee, but you also have the option of buying the stand-alone version of Office or using Office for free via SkyDrive or Google Docs. I
    One of the main advantage of Office 365 , is outlook and Exchange servers, I do understand that you can use Skydrive to share documents, but cloud exchange servers are not free. MS already remove Exchange from their Small Business Server, actually they don't even have SBS anymore, they just have essential in the 2012 suites. So they are heading in the Cloud Exchange server ( via renting an exchange server or office 365) So Microsoft don't have real small business "in house solution" for business email

    I do understand that Exchange in house require IT, and it's not free, I just demonstrate they heading on cloud for everything, and that will include renting cloud terminal.
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  5. #25


    Quote Originally Posted by elbmek View Post
    Regarding the future of windows I am rather concerned. Win 8 has now devolved, instead of evolved. Some items that were common place and part of windows have now been segregated and are being offered 'at a price'. I do not agree with this at all, its grossly unfair and exploitation of windows users.
    Shifting away out of principal for something like this is understandable. However, remember that Windows 8 upgrade is far cheaper than other versions in the past were, even if you add in a few extra fees for things like Media Center, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by elbmek View Post
    I know quite a few friends are changing to Linux Maya etc because its quick easy to use and full of freebies. I am a new Win 8 user on my pc, but my laptop (Win 7) is now dual boot with Linux Mint Maya as I investigate this avenue.
    It's great having alternatives, unfortunately using Linux day to day for many/most won't work. Their apps won't work, their games won't work, etc. If they have trouble using Windows 8...they are certainly going to struggle big time moving to Linux.
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  6. #26


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    The current windows upgrade pricing is the same as it was for 7 and vista and when it goes away it looks like the normal pricing for the upgrade and the oem (system builder) is in fact the same as it was before.

    If they were planning on charging $10 for Media Center as well as making tons of money on app store sales and advertising sales, they could have kept the upgrade pricng of $39 permanent with an OEM version at $79. That would certainly help spur on sales since they stand to potentially make a LOT more than that after the fact now, unlike any previous version of windows.
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  7. #27


    Admittedly I got Media Centre for free, via an email with code from MS
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  8. #28


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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    I do understand that Exchange in house require IT, and it's not free, I just demonstrate they heading on cloud for everything, and that will include renting cloud terminal.
    This is fear mongering, and conspiracy theory to the nth degree. The thing you don't seem to grasp is that there are MANY MANY MANY people that find cloud services useful and beneficial and even more cost effective. You're saying those people should not be able to have cloud services because you're paranoid?

    Please.

    Cloud services are there for the people that want them. The full products are still there if you don't. And that is not going to change anytime in the foreseeable future, as there are many companies that cannot legally store their data or communications in the cloud. There are many more that won't trust their data and communications to a third party. This simply will not change, and no matter how many cloud services anyone offers, there will always be a need for on-premises systems.

    So please stop getting paranoid about something that will not, and cannot happen. And stop the fear mongering, because you sound like a lunatic (i'm not saying you are, but you come off that way).

    Yes, it's true that MS has dropped SBS. There's a lot of people upset about that. It's not just Exchange their losing, but also the cheap SQL Server.

    Thing is, Microsoft has also brought about a new system called Exchange Web Services, that allows third parties to provide exchange-like services without exchange. As an example, SmarterMail offers EWS support and you can tie Outlook 2013 into it via EWS and not need exchange at all, but have all the functionality of it.
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  9. #29


    I rather think that Area66 does not have English as his native language, so maybe a bit of leeway??
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  10. #30


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    Quote Originally Posted by elbmek View Post
    Admittedly I got Media Centre for free, via an email with code from MS
    Same.
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