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Will Microsoft restore Start Menu to Windows 8?

  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    It's annoying to have to download a third party software.
    I completely agree, but that, to me, wouldn't be a deterrent from using Windows 8. If anything, the more people using these 3rd party apps, the more likely Microsoft would see the need/demand to put the Start Menu back in....or...

    In my opinion, offer users a choice. Much like some Linux distros give you a choice for UI options, give the user a choice during and after the install. On some devices, maybe I'd want to boot to the Metro interface. On others, maybe I'd prefer to boot to a standard desktop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    It's annoying to have to download a third party software.
    I completely agree, but that, to me, wouldn't be a deterrent from using Windows 8. If anything, the more people using these 3rd party apps, the more likely Microsoft would see the need/demand to put the Start Menu back in....or...

    In my opinion, offer users a choice. Much like some Linux distros give you a choice for UI options, give the user a choice during and after the install. On some devices, maybe I'd want to boot to the Metro interface. On others, maybe I'd prefer to boot to a standard desktop.

    Good point, Microsoft realize that we use third apps, they have 3 choices;

    1- let it this way, risking to make the OS less stable, not a great choice
    2- the Sinofsky way; block the third apps
    3- But back them self the option, this will please the customers, win win situation
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    It's annoying to have to download a third party software. I will prefer it's built in Windows so it can be update at the same time I update Windows.
    It's NOT going to happen. Get over it. No matter how much you complain. No matter how much you rant. No matter how much the tiny 5% of the market that will be PC users over the coming years scream, it won't happen.

    The PC market is dying, stagnant cesspool. It will never go away, but mobile and other touch aware devices are going to account for > 80% of the market in the coming years.
    Last edited by Mystere; 19 Nov 2012 at 15:50.
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    Area66 does not rant or scream.

    He is making a point in a perfectly reasonable fashion.

    You are right in a sense. Talking about it may be something MS picks up - but a much better method of getting them to give the customers what they want is to refuse to recommend what they are pushing.

    @Deacon

    I am not sure that is the case.

    The 3rd party programs which make win8 just about usable for many people may be making things worse.

    Their existence means some will actually buy and use win8 - which otherwise they wouldn't.

    Gives MS completely the wrong impression.
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    Mystere , your case is more severe than I tough , 5% ..... , I will say 50% and I'm generous
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    I was wrong. Mobile devices (not counting touch screen PC's) are ALREADY 80% of the market. In 2011, more than 1.7 Billion mobile devices were sold, while only 352 Million PC's were sold in the same time frame. That's 19.8% of total device sales are PC's, and that number is going down.

    In 2010 there were 1.5 Billion Mobile devices sold and 350 Million PC's, which made PC's 23% of the market.

    PC sales are down 8% in the third quarter this year, and largely flat in the 2nd Quarter (having trouble finding first quarter for some reason).

    Overall, the mobile figures include both smart phones and non-smartphone devices (including tablets, but also non-smart phones). But this number represents the potential market of smart phones and tablets.

    Meanwhile, smartphones sales have grown by 40+ percent year over year for several years. And tablet sales are going through the roof.

    Yeah, Microsoft knows what they're aiming Windows 8 at. And this will *NOT* change. The market is just too vast and lucrative for Microsoft to screw it up by altering Windows 8 to suit a small percentage of PC users (Let's say as much as 20% of PC users dislike the new OS, that's 20% of 20% of their total market. In other words, 4%... at most. And probably closer to 1% or less.

    The *ONLY* bone Microsoft might throw to PC users is that they could fork off Windows 8 from the Windows 7, and continue to sell Windows 7 in the coming years. I would expect Windows 7 to be a dead-end though, with no new versions of Windows designed for this market.

    I don't expect that will be likely either, given that this would hurt their adoption of Metro.
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  7. #27


    Mystere,

    The market is indeed changing. People are enamored with Tablets. They sell like crazy. Personally, I own one (Asus Transformer), have used many of them and simply don't care for them. I think tablets are "ok", as a supplemental device..but for me, that's as far as they go. However, many others just use their PC's as web consumption devices and they get by just fine with a tablet and even a smartphone.

    I think there must be quite a few more people like me, who use a tablet, but also have a need for a PC as well...or at least a desire to use a PC. I have a hard time believing that everybody really wants a touchscreen interface to Windows.

    I think down the road, as touchscreens evolve, things will improve. But in the present state, I find Windows 8 to be more of a pain than a pleasure to work with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I think there must be quite a few more people like me, who use a tablet, but also have a need for a PC as well...or at least a desire to use a PC. I have a hard time believing that everybody really wants a touchscreen interface to Windows.

    I think down the road, as touchscreens evolve, things will improve. But in the present state, I find Windows 8 to be more of a pain than a pleasure to work with.
    Yes, and Microsoft thinks there are lots more people like you as well, which is why they want a single unified OS that has the same interface on all devices, and runs the same apps on all devices. That's entirely the point.

    Why should a user have to use a different UI on a phone, tablet and PC? Why should they have to buy different apps for each? Why should they have to remember which OS they're using?

    Certainly, some of that argument can be made for the split-brain mode of Windows 8 today, but remember.. that's just transitionary.

    In reality, one should thank Microsoft Office for the fact that Microsoft has retained the standard desktop at all, particularly on ARM devices. If Microsoft didn't need to run Office on it, it probably would be gone as well.
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
    If this is the only thing holding people back from Windows 8....just use one of the many free alternatives.
    It's annoying to have to download a third party software. I will prefer it's built in Windows so it can be update at the same time I update Windows. Third party applications are more prone to additional bugs. For now I'm using Classic start menu, not for the menu but for remove the hot spot. I don't need a new menu the start page do the job in my case. So I have to unnecessary mod my OS just to disable something I don't need.
    Then...why not simply use the Start Screen and put the start menu items on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Mystere,

    The market is indeed changing. People are enamored with Tablets. They sell like crazy. Personally, I own one (Asus Transformer), have used many of them and simply don't care for them. I think tablets are "ok", as a supplemental device..but for me, that's as far as they go. However, many others just use their PC's as web consumption devices and they get by just fine with a tablet and even a smartphone.

    I think there must be quite a few more people like me, who use a tablet, but also have a need for a PC as well...or at least a desire to use a PC. I have a hard time believing that everybody really wants a touchscreen interface to Windows.

    I think down the road, as touchscreens evolve, things will improve. But in the present state, I find Windows 8 to be more of a pain than a pleasure to work with.
    Have you played around with the new tablet PCs running Windows 8? I know you seem to try out different devices, I'm simply wondering, and ask since using touch with Windows is actually phenomenal. Some things need improvement, like on the Desktop, but overall is just impressive.

    I like your signature, it reminded me of those few times where I ACTUALLY had to convince people to dump vista and switch to 7.
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