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Bored with Metro already and other thoughts

  1. #1


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    windows 8 prof 64 bit

    Bored with Metro already and other thoughts


    OK this is only my opinion, so you are fully entitled to disagree with me, and of course many of you will.

    So to history lesson. I had to fight tooth and nail to get Windows eight working on a high end i7 with 16 Gb of RAM. I had to reinstall several times and have been up many nights until the early hours of the morning to get it to work. I am also a very experienced high end user for at least 20 years, not a newbie. Why the lesson? Some people on this forum attack anyone who posts anything negative about Windows 8 as being an idiot who knows nothing about computers.
    So you might not like what I say but I do know what I am talking about. Why so sensitive? well I like many others joined this forum for sharing opinions and gaining help. But several users in this forum have no constructive way of disagreeing with what you say other than personally attacking you. I don't mind the fact that people disagree with what I say. The reason for posting posts like this is specifically to generate debate. I am just getting tired of seeing so much personal abuse on this forum. It is very sad.

    Right down to it. I have been running windows 8 for a while now and here are my conclusions.

    1) Despite what some users say I still think making safe mode primarily available from within Windows a very poor decision. The main time anyone accesses Safe mode is when they cant start windows. I like many others have added safe mode to the boot options, to at least make this possible. Yes the new safe mode menu is much better and accessing it from within windows is very easy but its a different story if you can not boot into windows. Similarly not having the ability to reinstall windows whilst maintaining your installed apps is a backward move.

    2) I know people with a few apps are managing without the start menu by turning their taskbar into a MAC clone. I have way too many apps loaded for that to be practical. So in order to keep Windows eight on my machine, I have had no choice but to use a third party start menu. I think it would have been more sensible to make the task bar optional rather than remove it. Microsoft's marketing allegedly found few users who use the task bar. Umm then why are this forum and others full of people asking how to put it back?

    3) Despite the effort that has gone into Metro, Within two days I have probably downloaded 95% of all the apps I am ever going to download. Whilst it is useful to have my laptop working more like my phone, l see no place for it on my main work pc.
    The apps are also pretty superficial and I am becoming really annoyed by the metro loading screens for the apps. What was the point of making windows boot quickly if you loose any advantage when you start an app. I now find I am hardly ever using them, and tend to jump quickly into the standard desktop. I would say I am easily spending most of my time away from Metro in the desktop.

    4) I don't really miss Aero, at first I did but now, not so much. The real deal breaker for Metro is having the icons dominate the screen. Everyone in the office including me have individual desktop images, and nearly everyone uses the slide show to show multiple images. What I here you cry... that is still in Windows 8. Yes it is but its in the desktop and so you naturally work in the desktop. We all strive for our screens to look individual, and Metro severely limits this. Granted you will have different tiles in different places but they look the same! I just find Metro so boring to look at and sadly after a few weeks boring to use.

    5) Everything that runs on windows 7 will run on windows 8. That's just incorrect. You cant rely on the upgrade advisor or the compatibility centre. Applications are shown as compatible which are not.

    6) use of windows 8 on a non touch screen is much easier in desktop than Metro, and it almost forces you out of Metro. It works, but only just. Its certainly not ergonomic or enjoyable.

    So in summary using it on my laptop is ok and I certainly wont be uninstalling it. As for all of the desktop PCs we own, well they are staying in Windows seven. Any performance gains you get from windows 8 are squandered in the clunky interface.

    Will the launch succeed? Not sure. Most of our pc suppliers allow us to pick which operating system we want installed so there is no immediate need to jump to 8. The consumer market is different new pcs tend to come preloaded. However the current financial climate is not really suited to people refreshing their pcs to any great extent.

    Will it be as bad as vista? Probably not, Microsoft are certainly spending much more on the marketing for eight than vista. We are all struggling to get that blasted song out of our heads anyways.

    Will they grab a big chunk of the tablet market. Umm probably not people prefer Android and Iphone and visually they leave the windows eight surface for dead. It will sell, but not in the numbers it needs to.

    So I now have Windows eight an 7. The world did not end, but neither did it become a much better place to be. I initially hated it, but now I have warmed to it. But the only way I could get my laptop working the way I wanted was to restore basic windows functionality. Both Integrate really well so I can easily move data between the two. But what happens if Microsoft jump completely into Metro and drop the desktop functionality................well then the 3d animation industry for one will be telling them very firmly that you cant run our applications on a mobile phone.

    You can attack me all you want, but the content of the forum, is clear to see. Yes the visits to forum going down is probably due to many overcoming their installation issues which is good for windows 8. Yes people who use their laptops or pc's for recreational use really like windows 8. But those of us with deadlines to meet, and major apps to run. Metro gives us very little and for now on Desktops Windows7 is a better choice.

    I applaud Microsoft for trying to do something different, but I think the jump to touch screen is too early, and will ultimately prove to be like the market for 3d TV's.....no where near as big as first predicted.


    Ah well best take my position on the stake and prepare to get burned!

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  2. #2


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Probably one of the more sensible posts I've read.

    You state your case well, and see no need to denigrate or abuse those who differ.

    Most of us aren't 'attack dogs' but some of us, both pro and con, do sometimes get carried away somewhat.

    Quick tip: Whack Classic Start onto Win 8, set it to boot to the desktop, and you'll swear you're in a turbo-charged win 7.

    There is NO need to go to the tile screen unless you CHOOSE to.

    That's what I run, but I have the tile screen enabled, cos I use both it and the 'old' start orb.

    Best of both worlds, methinks....
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  3. #3


    Lol! Heretic! Burn him at the stake!

    All kidding aside -> You probably read the thread the other day of the new member that posted his opinion in his first post. My God they crucified the poor fellow! I responded the best I could. I could've done better I'm sure. Sorry to say it seems he's gone now.

    Everyone is certainly entitled to their observations and opinion. We are all individuals who cast our own realities. I think the world would be very boring if we all thought the same.

    Make the cake whatever flavor you want. It's your cake. Your the one that has to eat it.

    It's good you posted. Thank you! I took out of it what I thought I needed and left the rest.
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    Posts : 1,308
    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by slowhand818 View Post
    OK this is only my opinion, so you are fully entitled to disagree with me, and of course many of you will.

    don't forget Microsoft can't do wrong
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    Posts : 228
    Black Label 7x64


    The only criticism in slowhand818's post that I haven't read much about is the Safe Mode part. Otherwise, it's exactly what critics have been saying all year. Problem is, the critics of the critics have been ignoring it.
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    Posts : 446
    Win 8 64-bit


    I'm one of those who actually prefer the new start page now that I've had time to play with it and get it to my liking. I agree that it wouldn't have done much harm to let people have the option of the traditional Start Menu though, even if it was only in the way of a registry edit.

    It's worth noting though you don't have to use Metro "Apps" if you don't want to and you can just use the Metro screen as a start menu to launch desktop software (just like with the traditional Start Menu). This is what I do, although I still have the Metro apps installed and occasionally use the weather/news apps. If you look at the folder structure of the Start Menu, it's essentially just the same as the old start menu, I.E. just a bunch of shortcuts. Here's a screenshot of my Start Menu, which works for me and I find it a lot better to use than the old traditional Start Menu:

    Click image for larger version

    I agree with you about the boot in safe mode though, as I found out the hard way that it wasn't available. I was experimenting with different drivers and well, you can guess what happened next it wouldn't boot, just BSOD everytime I tried. To make it worse, neither refresh or reset would work either, presumably because the drive was encrypted. It wasn't a problem as I had backups, but I only had one available option and that was to re-install windows from scratch using a disc.

    As for customising the Metro screen appearance, I've not tried it myself, but it can be done because I've seen it done. Have a look at the following link.
    Pimp My Desktop Part 33 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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    Posts : 1,308
    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    ARC1020 , If I look at your start page, you can even reduce the amount of tiles, Shutdown and Restart can be achieve with crt+alt+del or alt + F4 ' resource is also available on the task bar , many thing like Excel, Word, PhotoShop, I place them on my task bar, so finally only 4 or 6 tiles will need to be access from the old start menu

    all that to say, the lost of the old start menu is not a big deal
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  8. #8


    Posts : 239
    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    Quote Originally Posted by slowhand818 View Post
    Ah well best take my position on the stake and prepare to get burned!
    Very constructive post - thank you. And nope, no one is going to get burned at any stake!!!

    The problem with Win8 is that it has managed to unnecessarily polarize opinions about the UI. In doing so many are simply judging the OS based on this alone both in this forum and of course the media. I've installed Win8 RP on my laptop (separate partition) and whilst everything works (or appears to) there are simply no benefits to me. We all work differently and therefore have differing requirements from our desktop/laptops or what have you. So what is meat for one is poison for the other.

    Whether the plan of MS is to try and force folks to pay for apps and/or cloud computing is pure guesswork. What is sad though is that the polarizing of opinions could easily have been avoided if an option to use the classic UI had been made available at installation time. Surely with all the resources at the disposal of MS that could have been possible.

    Certainly there has been a great deal of debate over the Win8 UI round here, sometimes a bit heated. It would had been preferable if there could have been more discussion(s) over what is going on under the hood rather than Metro.
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    Posts : 9
    Windows 8 Pro


    Curious as to what programs work on 7 but not 8. I haven't come across any yet.
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    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by slowhand818 View Post
    I had to fight tooth and nail to get Windows eight working on a high end i7 with 16 Gb of RAM. .... The reason for posting posts like this is specifically to generate debate.
    ok. The upgrade process is flawed. I think one future could be embedded Operating Systems. All this upgrading from one version to the next is problematic. For many, it is a good idea to get a new machine that has the latest OS pre installed thereby eliminating the time wasted to zero.
    To your point about installation woes, not everyone has had a problem.

    For safe mode, I prefer the new approach. Never cared much for scrambling to press the correct key at the precise moment to get there. Getting to safe mode should be a rare occasion and a bootable disk is a must have item when using a Microsoft product.

    Quote Originally Posted by slowhand818 View Post
    I know people with a few apps are managing without the start menu by turning their taskbar into a MAC clone. I have way too many apps loaded for that to be practical. So in order to keep Windows eight on my machine, I have had no choice but to use a third party start menu.
    Start menus are fine and useful if that is what you like. I would disagree that the UI cannot handle a mega number of app installs. There is another bloke around here that uses something like 18 partitions (virtual or otherwise) and professes a need for a menuing heirarchy. In this case, an add on to manage an extravagant system configuration is warranted but not necessarily needed. The Windows 8 apps area can handle far more application installs than a menuing system. Also, if one understands the semantic zooming feature of the apps area, NO scrolling is required. One should not confuse the start screen with the apps area.

    Quote Originally Posted by slowhand818 View Post
    The apps are also pretty superficial and I am becoming really annoyed by the metro loading screens for the apps.
    Opinions Vary.

    Quote Originally Posted by slowhand818 View Post
    We all strive for our screens to look individual, and Metro severely limits this. Granted you will have different tiles in different places but they look the same! I just find Metro so boring to look at and sadly after a few weeks boring to use.
    Where have you been? IMO, new stuff is emerging all the time. My metro start screen (not the desktop) (my desktop has an RSS Dynamic feed and is also changing all the time) has shuffling wallpapers that change every 15 minutes or so and differing tile colors. Now there is an app to create customizable tiles to desktop shortcuts. So you don't like it. That's ok too.
    I would never use Windows 7 now that 8 is available.

    Quote Originally Posted by slowhand818 View Post
    You can't rely on the upgrade advisor or the compatibility centre.
    True. There are too many variables with this type of process. I think the upgrade advisor is a flawed concept.

    Quote Originally Posted by slowhand818 View Post
    use of windows 8 on a non touch screen is much easier in desktop than Metro, and it almost forces you out of Metro. It works, but only just. Its certainly not ergonomic or enjoyable.
    Well ok. You don't like it much. IMO, have to disagree with you here. I find it to be eminently easy to use, very ergonomic and enjoyable. Not only do the mouse and keyboard have equal functional status (IMO)(in any 8 scenario), but there are new touch devices made available all the time now. There is no need to touch an erect desktop monitor. Touch can be used on a flat surface (touch mice and touch pads - not laptop pads). No wrist moving, clicking or arm lifting is needed.

    You are bored with metro...interesting, I was using a dock launcher in Windows 7 that had explosive fire bombs and ripples of water that ejected smoke when clicking an icon. That became boring also.
    Last edited by mdmd; 13 Nov 2012 at 22:41.
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