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  1. #31


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Maybe if you are using hybrid boot. I don't because I am multibooting. Not sure why, but win8 is the slowest boot of all my o/s.

    Not a huge problem - few seconds here or there - who cares.
    I have to agree: without hybrid boot, 7 beats 8.
    I just saw it om my machine, tested with and without the hybrid settings. You notice the difference right away.
    Win7 was on another machine but 8 has UEFI as a bonus.

    But what can possibly be going on there?
    I'm guessing Windows 8 isn't totally optimized. It seems that Windows 8's Automatic Maintenance feature is like an expansion on the SuperFetch feature of Windows 7 where it understands what files are most frequently accessed, then uses the defragger tool to optimize the drive as such. I remember coming off the Release Preview, which was the speediest of them all, to the RTM, and the RTM seemed to have sluggish boot times. After several defrags and Automatic Maintenance runs, it's on par and a tad faster to boot up than the Release Preview.

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  2. #32


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    UEFI is anything BUT a bonus.

    Quite the contrary.
    How's that?

    I wanted to see the difference personally. I'm in favor or UEFI until I see it fail or decrease performance.
    I think UEFI increases performance. The BIOS (or UEFI) time is just up to 5 seconds load time so the rest of the boot time is the HDD loading files and THIS is, for the time being, slower then on Win7. Unless hybrid boot takes place.

    Just don't know what to tweak more (before buying an SSD, I'd like to improve speed at the max on the HDD I got).
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  3. #33


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    I haven't the slightest interest in how fast it boots.

    That's irrelevant.

    It's the ability for MS or OEMs to lock the BIOS that I oppose.

    THAT is unwanted and should be illegal.

    And just because it isn't implemented NOW, doesn't mean it won't be.

    Win 8 SP1 or Win 9 will see us locked-in just like the Fruit-Gum Co.

    And that's precisely why I chose an IBM/Win machine over an Apple
    in the first place all those years ago.... I WILL NOT be locked-in.
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  4. #34


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Maybe if you are using hybrid boot. I don't because I am multibooting. Not sure why, but win8 is the slowest boot of all my o/s.

    Not a huge problem - few seconds here or there - who cares.
    I have to agree: without hybrid boot, 7 beats 8.
    I just saw it om my machine, tested with and without the hybrid settings. You notice the difference right away.
    Win7 was on another machine but 8 has UEFI as a bonus.

    But what can possibly be going on there?
    I'm guessing Windows 8 isn't totally optimized. It seems that Windows 8's Automatic Maintenance feature is like an expansion on the SuperFetch feature of Windows 7 where it understands what files are most frequently accessed, then uses the defragger tool to optimize the drive as such. I remember coming off the Release Preview, which was the speediest of them all, to the RTM, and the RTM seemed to have sluggish boot times. After several defrags and Automatic Maintenance runs, it's on par and a tad faster to boot up than the Release Preview.
    You might be right with something here.
    Another thing to mention is that it's a RTM - OEM from HP (I don't consider it clean install) and I already disabled / uninstalled most of the unneeded startup items and programs. Then I defragged once, but it's still way slow.

    I installed the 'big' updates and they seem to have improved the performance and audio distortions but the boot thing is something I gotta look into myself, for more info.
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  5. #35


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    I haven't the slightest interest in how fast it boots.

    That's irrelevant.

    It's the ability for MS or OEMs to lock the BIOS that I oppose.

    THAT is unwanted and should be illegal.

    And just because it isn't implemented NOW, doesn't mean it won't be.

    Win 8 SP1 or Win 9 will see us locked-in just like the Fruit-Gum Co.

    And that's precisely why I chose an IBM/Win machine over an Apple
    in the first place all those years ago.... I WILL NOT be locked-in.
    It's the first UEFI machine in house but I'm not afraid they'll lock me in.
    You mean I won't be able to install Ubuntu or something else except Win8?
    That's BAD.

    The page where you change settings is still called BIOS.
    I'm pretty sure some customised BIOS mods will exist soon allowing extra options in the BIOS.
    But for now, not needed since I don't have issues.
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  6. #36


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    It's the ability for MS or OEMs to lock the BIOS that I oppose.

    THAT is unwanted and should be illegal.

    And just because it isn't implemented NOW, doesn't mean it won't be.

    Win 8 SP1 or Win 9 will see us locked-in just like the Fruit-Gum Co.

    And that's precisely why I chose an IBM/Win machine over an Apple
    in the first place all those years ago.... I WILL NOT be locked-in.
    And this kind of knee jerk reaction is just silly.

    Do you oppose the password feature in the bios? They could lock you out with that as well.

    What about password locks on hard drives? You know every hard drive can have their firmware updated to only "activate" the drive if a special command is given by the bios. So you must not ever want to use a hard drive then, since you could get locked out in the future.

    Anything can be used for good or evil. Just because it has that potential doesn't mean you should avoid the benefits.

    YOU control the bios on your computer. You are in control of the keys of for secure boot, if you get the computer without secureboot enabled. Thus, so long as you don't buy a computer with secureboot enabled, there's nothing Microsoft (or anyone else) can do to lock you out.
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  7. #37


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    That reminds me my $1100 Sony Vaio that could not run Linux. They blocked it in the BIOS. I had the hardest time returning it - had to write to their CEO. Here is the whole story: Sony does not care about their customers - Windows 7 Forums
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  8. #38


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post

    I have to agree: without hybrid boot, 7 beats 8.
    I just saw it om my machine, tested with and without the hybrid settings. You notice the difference right away.
    Win7 was on another machine but 8 has UEFI as a bonus.

    But what can possibly be going on there?
    I'm guessing Windows 8 isn't totally optimized. It seems that Windows 8's Automatic Maintenance feature is like an expansion on the SuperFetch feature of Windows 7 where it understands what files are most frequently accessed, then uses the defragger tool to optimize the drive as such. I remember coming off the Release Preview, which was the speediest of them all, to the RTM, and the RTM seemed to have sluggish boot times. After several defrags and Automatic Maintenance runs, it's on par and a tad faster to boot up than the Release Preview.
    You might be right with something here.
    Another thing to mention is that it's a RTM - OEM from HP (I don't consider it clean install) and I already disabled / uninstalled most of the unneeded startup items and programs. Then I defragged once, but it's still way slow.

    I installed the 'big' updates and they seem to have improved the performance and audio distortions but the boot thing is something I gotta look into myself, for more info.
    Yeah, that was part of my issue too, I accidentally deleted the Startup folder and when I restored it, I had like 11 things running at startup. But even still, it was just a tad longer than the RP. I didn't get how people were saying it's way faster as I had boot times more akin to Windows 7 with KIS 2012. But like a month ago I think, it started to get better. It's now at the point of RP boot times, even WITH Kaspersky Internet Security 2013 installed. I find that to be impressive! It's weird, it took several defrags even when it was analyzed at 0% fragmentation, and several Automatic Maintenance runs it's at a good point. I feel it's more likely that, since I had limited hard drive space when I installed the RTM, so I'm guessing system files were probably just more physically in the middle of the disk and scattered about. I even installed Ultimate Defrag 4 to get things sorted out, that probably helped as well, to get the hibernate file and page file moved to the faster part of the hard drive. And when I say several defrags and such, I mean like, a lot. It was more like every day or two of defragging, along with daily AM runs.
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  9. #39


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I wouldn't much enjoy BIOS lockout, thinking about it. I had to run the Trinity Rescue Live CD to get access into a user account because the info I was provided was worthless unless if you had the network server available. I ran it and found a user account that just open with it. If I couldn't had been able to run the CD, I most likely would still be trying to get user account login information.

    But it turned out that the hard drive is like 20 gigs and has 70 MB free, so no defragging! On a side note, I really didn't know that if even your video card can't run Aero, you can still use the sleep function in Windows 7. Also, IBM ThinkPads are built with balls!
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  10. #40


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    That reminds me my $1100 Sony Vaio that could not run Linux. They blocked it in the BIOS. I had the hardest time returning it - had to write to their CEO. Here is the whole story: Sony does not care about their customers - Windows 7 Forums
    Interesting story. It's funny, but I have a very similar laptop. I think mine is a year older, it's a VPCF115FM. Same basic design and hardware. I have had no trouble running Linux on mine, not sure why your has problems.

    But, be that as it may, the problem is that the Linux kernel devs have not included a driver for the hardware in this device, not that Sony has done anything wrong. Linux is the fault here (as it so often is with newer hardware. If Linux didn't support your video card would you blame the video card vendor?)

    Regarding the refund, I got the feeling from your story that you'd had the machine for a while. You might have been able to justify a refund if you had just bought it, but if it had been months then that's a totally different story.

    If it was me, I would have just sold it on EBay or Craigslist, taken the couple hundred dollar hit and chalked it up to a learning experience. Not all hardware is Linux compatible, and if you're concerned, next time bring a disk with you and boot it at the shop. Or if you order it online check it right away and send it back if it fails.
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