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OK this is only my opinion, so you are fully entitled to disagree with me, and of course many of you will.
So to history lesson. I had to fight tooth and nail to get Windows eight working on a high end i7 with 16 Gb of RAM. I had to reinstall several times and have been up many nights until the early hours of the morning to get it to work. I am also a very experienced high end user for at least 20 years, not a newbie. Why the lesson? Some people on this forum attack anyone who posts anything negative about Windows 8 as being an idiot who knows nothing about computers.
So you might not like what I say but I do know what I am talking about. Why so sensitive? well I like many others joined this forum for sharing opinions and gaining help. But several users in this forum have no constructive way of disagreeing with what you say other than personally attacking you. I don't mind the fact that people disagree with what I say. The reason for posting posts like this is specifically to generate debate. I am just getting tired of seeing so much personal abuse on this forum. It is very sad.
Right down to it. I have been running windows 8 for a while now and here are my conclusions.
1) Despite what some users say I still think making safe mode primarily available from within Windows a very poor decision. The main time anyone accesses Safe mode is when they cant start windows. I like many others have added safe mode to the boot options, to at least make this possible. Yes the new safe mode menu is much better and accessing it from within windows is very easy but its a different story if you can not boot into windows. Similarly not having the ability to reinstall windows whilst maintaining your installed apps is a backward move.
2) I know people with a few apps are managing without the start menu by turning their taskbar into a MAC clone. I have way too many apps loaded for that to be practical. So in order to keep Windows eight on my machine, I have had no choice but to use a third party start menu. I think it would have been more sensible to make the task bar optional rather than remove it. Microsoft's marketing allegedly found few users who use the task bar. Umm then why are this forum and others full of people asking how to put it back?
3) Despite the effort that has gone into Metro, Within two days I have probably downloaded 95% of all the apps I am ever going to download. Whilst it is useful to have my laptop working more like my phone, l see no place for it on my main work pc.
The apps are also pretty superficial and I am becoming really annoyed by the metro loading screens for the apps. What was the point of making windows boot quickly if you loose any advantage when you start an app. I now find I am hardly ever using them, and tend to jump quickly into the standard desktop. I would say I am easily spending most of my time away from Metro in the desktop.
4) I don't really miss Aero, at first I did but now, not so much. The real deal breaker for Metro is having the icons dominate the screen. Everyone in the office including me have individual desktop images, and nearly everyone uses the slide show to show multiple images. What I here you cry... that is still in Windows 8. Yes it is but its in the desktop and so you naturally work in the desktop. We all strive for our screens to look individual, and Metro severely limits this. Granted you will have different tiles in different places but they look the same! I just find Metro so boring to look at and sadly after a few weeks boring to use.
5) Everything that runs on windows 7 will run on windows 8. That's just incorrect. You cant rely on the upgrade advisor or the compatibility centre. Applications are shown as compatible which are not.
6) use of windows 8 on a non touch screen is much easier in desktop than Metro, and it almost forces you out of Metro. It works, but only just. Its certainly not ergonomic or enjoyable.
So in summary using it on my laptop is ok and I certainly wont be uninstalling it. As for all of the desktop PCs we own, well they are staying in Windows seven. Any performance gains you get from windows 8 are squandered in the clunky interface.
Will the launch succeed? Not sure. Most of our pc suppliers allow us to pick which operating system we want installed so there is no immediate need to jump to 8. The consumer market is different new pcs tend to come preloaded. However the current financial climate is not really suited to people refreshing their pcs to any great extent.
Will it be as bad as vista? Probably not, Microsoft are certainly spending much more on the marketing for eight than vista. We are all struggling to get that blasted song out of our heads anyways.
Will they grab a big chunk of the tablet market. Umm probably not people prefer Android and Iphone and visually they leave the windows eight surface for dead. It will sell, but not in the numbers it needs to.
So I now have Windows eight an 7. The world did not end, but neither did it become a much better place to be. I initially hated it, but now I have warmed to it. But the only way I could get my laptop working the way I wanted was to restore basic windows functionality. Both Integrate really well so I can easily move data between the two. But what happens if Microsoft jump completely into Metro and drop the desktop functionality................well then the 3d animation industry for one will be telling them very firmly that you cant run our applications on a mobile phone.
You can attack me all you want, but the content of the forum, is clear to see. Yes the visits to forum going down is probably due to many overcoming their installation issues which is good for windows 8. Yes people who use their laptops or pc's for recreational use really like windows 8. But those of us with deadlines to meet, and major apps to run. Metro gives us very little and for now on Desktops Windows7 is a better choice.
I applaud Microsoft for trying to do something different, but I think the jump to touch screen is too early, and will ultimately prove to be like the market for 3d TV's.....no where near as big as first predicted.
Ah well best take my position on the stake and prepare to get burned!
So to history lesson. I had to fight tooth and nail to get Windows eight working on a high end i7 with 16 Gb of RAM. I had to reinstall several times and have been up many nights until the early hours of the morning to get it to work. I am also a very experienced high end user for at least 20 years, not a newbie. Why the lesson? Some people on this forum attack anyone who posts anything negative about Windows 8 as being an idiot who knows nothing about computers.
So you might not like what I say but I do know what I am talking about. Why so sensitive? well I like many others joined this forum for sharing opinions and gaining help. But several users in this forum have no constructive way of disagreeing with what you say other than personally attacking you. I don't mind the fact that people disagree with what I say. The reason for posting posts like this is specifically to generate debate. I am just getting tired of seeing so much personal abuse on this forum. It is very sad.
Right down to it. I have been running windows 8 for a while now and here are my conclusions.
1) Despite what some users say I still think making safe mode primarily available from within Windows a very poor decision. The main time anyone accesses Safe mode is when they cant start windows. I like many others have added safe mode to the boot options, to at least make this possible. Yes the new safe mode menu is much better and accessing it from within windows is very easy but its a different story if you can not boot into windows. Similarly not having the ability to reinstall windows whilst maintaining your installed apps is a backward move.
2) I know people with a few apps are managing without the start menu by turning their taskbar into a MAC clone. I have way too many apps loaded for that to be practical. So in order to keep Windows eight on my machine, I have had no choice but to use a third party start menu. I think it would have been more sensible to make the task bar optional rather than remove it. Microsoft's marketing allegedly found few users who use the task bar. Umm then why are this forum and others full of people asking how to put it back?
3) Despite the effort that has gone into Metro, Within two days I have probably downloaded 95% of all the apps I am ever going to download. Whilst it is useful to have my laptop working more like my phone, l see no place for it on my main work pc.
The apps are also pretty superficial and I am becoming really annoyed by the metro loading screens for the apps. What was the point of making windows boot quickly if you loose any advantage when you start an app. I now find I am hardly ever using them, and tend to jump quickly into the standard desktop. I would say I am easily spending most of my time away from Metro in the desktop.
4) I don't really miss Aero, at first I did but now, not so much. The real deal breaker for Metro is having the icons dominate the screen. Everyone in the office including me have individual desktop images, and nearly everyone uses the slide show to show multiple images. What I here you cry... that is still in Windows 8. Yes it is but its in the desktop and so you naturally work in the desktop. We all strive for our screens to look individual, and Metro severely limits this. Granted you will have different tiles in different places but they look the same! I just find Metro so boring to look at and sadly after a few weeks boring to use.
5) Everything that runs on windows 7 will run on windows 8. That's just incorrect. You cant rely on the upgrade advisor or the compatibility centre. Applications are shown as compatible which are not.
6) use of windows 8 on a non touch screen is much easier in desktop than Metro, and it almost forces you out of Metro. It works, but only just. Its certainly not ergonomic or enjoyable.
So in summary using it on my laptop is ok and I certainly wont be uninstalling it. As for all of the desktop PCs we own, well they are staying in Windows seven. Any performance gains you get from windows 8 are squandered in the clunky interface.
Will the launch succeed? Not sure. Most of our pc suppliers allow us to pick which operating system we want installed so there is no immediate need to jump to 8. The consumer market is different new pcs tend to come preloaded. However the current financial climate is not really suited to people refreshing their pcs to any great extent.
Will it be as bad as vista? Probably not, Microsoft are certainly spending much more on the marketing for eight than vista. We are all struggling to get that blasted song out of our heads anyways.
Will they grab a big chunk of the tablet market. Umm probably not people prefer Android and Iphone and visually they leave the windows eight surface for dead. It will sell, but not in the numbers it needs to.
So I now have Windows eight an 7. The world did not end, but neither did it become a much better place to be. I initially hated it, but now I have warmed to it. But the only way I could get my laptop working the way I wanted was to restore basic windows functionality. Both Integrate really well so I can easily move data between the two. But what happens if Microsoft jump completely into Metro and drop the desktop functionality................well then the 3d animation industry for one will be telling them very firmly that you cant run our applications on a mobile phone.
You can attack me all you want, but the content of the forum, is clear to see. Yes the visits to forum going down is probably due to many overcoming their installation issues which is good for windows 8. Yes people who use their laptops or pc's for recreational use really like windows 8. But those of us with deadlines to meet, and major apps to run. Metro gives us very little and for now on Desktops Windows7 is a better choice.
I applaud Microsoft for trying to do something different, but I think the jump to touch screen is too early, and will ultimately prove to be like the market for 3d TV's.....no where near as big as first predicted.
Ah well best take my position on the stake and prepare to get burned!
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