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Windows 8, the repeated vista failure

  1. #1


    Posts : 4
    windows 7

    Windows 8, the repeated vista failure


    I downloaded windows 8 thinking that it would be a great operating system, after all, microsoft could not possibly make the same mistake twice as they messed up so big with vista I never thought any company that is suppose to be that technology advanced they could not possibly make the same mistake again.. I very quickly realized I was so wrong.

    Aside from the hugely disappointing promises of 'ready' etc, this so called 'ready' operating system on install (as stated by the install screen) still took another half hour to install with lots of promises to finish soon despite the % 1 to 100 coming up several times.

    Once you have been through that nightmare you suddenly realize why its like that, because Microsoft have been really kind in throwing loads of junkware on the metro screen that conveniently belongs to their services and even more conveniently you have to have a hotmail account in which to use it properly, that's not forgetting the very ability to change colour options etc in certain places requiring that account otherwise you are stigmatized without relent the refusal to allow you to use certain features.

    I did not manage to fully test the operating system as much as I would have liked and there is a very good reason for that, its because I had a serious issue with it the next morning after installing it (indecently finishing late at night due to its inability to install in a decent timeframe - I might also mention that I have an i5 processor and 8 gig ram so its definitely not because I lack power that these issues happened) before I go into the error or serious issue I had, I have to make a note here of at least one or two issues when you do have access to it.

    Its all well and good having an app for internet explorer and I can certainly understand that this is a new operating system and some other browsers have not caught up with the app ability of windows 8 (not really my area so I could be wrong) anywayz.. I decided to do the most horrifying thing ever, I decided to use firefox. When I installed it I had no issues but when I went to use it, it had to be used in desktop mode and the text within the webpages I was viewing and even videos were scrambled, impossible to read.. strange, so I decided to experiment with IE to be fair in desktop mode and it was exactly the same ?.. bug spray time I think

    Next I decided to remove all the junk from metro and replace them with my programs, you know the ones, they are the ones you choose and not microsoft. Removing the junk and placing mine there was reasonably simple although you could only add one link at a time and not several although you can remove several at once if you wished.

    I logged off for the night, excited at the possibility of playing with it the next day after uni.

    I got up and switched on the pc early as I wanted to check the news etc,for some reason I did not get the mouse curser on screen so I rebooted several times to no avail. I tried a mouse and the pad, nothing made it come back, So, even though I had to be at uni because all my course work was on it I called microsoft who were useless

    I spoke to a lady who, after several 'I will be right back to find out's' suggested I use another computer to download the windows 8 update again and suggested that it may have been due to an issue with the download (why on earth would I re-download it then?) ( she suggest a second computer for this..as if that is something everyone keeps in their back pockets) After 20 minutes of translating what this lady was saying to me from broken English to legible English and being put on hold 3 or 4 times I suggested that I reboot the system and purposely turn it off during boot so the computer thinks there is a startup error to offer me a fix, after being put on hold she agreed and I did it.

    The computer when through the whole install process again (near enough) and my mouse was back.

    The reason it was such a silly fault was simple, when you boot up windows 8 you are met with this redundant, completely useless screen with a clock, the date and a few icons on it, in order to get past that screen to login you need to click it with the mouse, so if your mouse mucks up and you don't have an alternative, lets say you have no money or its late at night, you now cannot even log into windows to do any work.. a mouse with windows 8 is now all important.. get three, just in case.

    suffice to say I uninstalled windows 8 and re-installed windows 7, I wont be going back..

    windows support are useless and their only answer is to re-install everything

    lastly, save your money and go purchase something more useful for your computer instead, like a fluffy cover.

    just my opinion.

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  2. #2


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Well, good riddance.

    You did have a few problems, probably related to doing an upgrade. Upgrade installs are slow, because it has to not only install the OS, but it has to transfer all your settings, apps, files, etc.. to the new system. If you have a lot of files, and your registry is complex, then it can take a bit of time. A clean install takes less than 20 minutes. Upgrades are problematic, and pretty much everyone that has problems with Windows has done an upgrade install. This is nothing new to Windows 8, the same issues happened in Windows 7 and Vista and XP and pretty much every version of Windows I've used since 95.

    Personally, I don't think Microsoft should do Upgrade installs. There's just too many things that can go wrong, and too many things that they can't anticipate, and too many configurations that Microsoft can't possibly test.

    Second, Windows 8 does not require a mouse to login. You can hit any key and it will go to the login screen. This is simply not true what you said.

    Third, your browser problems were likely from upgrading as well. You probably did not install your vendors video driver, or the Windows 7 driver was carried over. You need to install the vendor driver.
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  3. #3


    Posts : 72
    Windows 8 Pro


    I wholeheartedly agree with Mystere about in-place upgrades... Those are always troublesome and ill-advised.


    saltedm8, I'm sorry to hear you had such difficulties, but my own experience with Windows 8 - two fresh installs, one on a desktop and one on a laptop - has been completely the opposite: It installed faster and with less hassle than any Windows OS I've ever used; it shuts down, boots, and restarts faster than any Windows OS I've ever used; and it's snappier, easier on system resources, and (so far) more reliable than any Windows OS I've ever used.
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  4. #4


    Posts : 4
    windows 7


    I: have to disagree with your colorful assessment, my computer is a new laptop.. had been used 3 or 4 times before, no excuse for the upgrade time.

    I upgraded to windows 7 from my old pc, not a single issue.

    Ok, I will relent with the video driver, but that still does not explain the fact on this occasion I did a better job at solving my issues than a microsoft tech

    You say you can hit any key. well, I did, every key on my keypad in-fact suggested to me as a first by microsoft, still had the issue, wonder how many others will hit the same issue that could have been easily avoided by not having a silly glorified splash screen.

    This is how I have seen previous operating systems from microsoft (starting windows xp)

    windows xp - very buggy at launch, two service packs later, its an ok operating system
    vista - dead in the water
    7 - sweet, lessons learn't and operating system hugely improved
    8 - hype hype hype.. drop like a rock.. it wont last long.. refer to this post in a couple of years.. its going the way of vista.
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  5. #5


    India
    Posts : 1,184
    Windows 8.1, Windows 7, Linux Mint 14


    Hello saltedm,

    I just wanted to let you know my experience. I have till now installed Windows 8 five to six times. Yes, that's the number of times I installed it . I installed the release preview in Virtual Box first. Then as a dual boot. Then RTM in the VB and again as dual boot. Installed it once in my friend's machine. Ok, that's five times.

    I haven't encountered any of the problems that you had. Installed in 20 minutes each time.

    If you say you don't like how it looks and the way it functions, that's ok. You may not like the Metro start screen. That's ok too. You are entitled to have your opinions.

    But you can't doubt W8's performance issues. It's the fastest OS ever manufactured by MS. I know you didn't have a very good experience with Windows 8 this time. But that is not the case with everybody, and this is the main reason I wanted to write this post -> to let you know.

    You might have had some unexpected problem. After all, these are machines and "complex" machines. Computers generally have problems, this is a known fact. Otherwise this forum probably wouldn't have existed at all.

    I must admit that - To a certain extent - yes, it's Microsoft's fault that if the upgrade option they provide isn't reliable, they shouldn't provide it at all at the first place. Clean install is the best option any day.

    You can see my specs. They are less powerful than yours. Windows 8 runs like dream on my machine. I wish I could show you.
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  6. #6


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Yes, in a way, Windows 8 shares a lot of things with Vista. Such as a reputation for being bad, when it really wasn't. Microsoft proved this with their "Mojave" experiment, in which they asked people to rate Windows Vista based on what they knew of it. It received an average of 4.4 out of 10. They then asked those same people to rate a demo of Microsoft's "new" os, code named Mojave, which was actually just Windows Vista with a Mojave name, and those same people rated it at an 8.5 out of 10.

    The fact of the matter is, non-technical people get their opinions on technology from their friends that are technical. And those people, if they decide they don't like something (justified or not) end up bad mouthing it to everyone and general public opinion is bad.

    Look, I would take your opinion a lot more seriously if you had actually used it for more than a few hours before going back to Windows 7. As it is, There are literally dozens of people on this board that expressed the exact same opinions as you after having used it briefly, but many of them have changed their mind after using it for a period of time.
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  7. #7


    Quote Originally Posted by saltedm8 View Post
    I: have to disagree with your colorful assessment, my computer is a new laptop.. had been used 3 or 4 times before, no excuse for the upgrade time.

    I upgraded to windows 7 from my old pc, not a single issue.

    Ok, I will relent with the video driver, but that still does not explain the fact on this occasion I did a better job at solving my issues than a microsoft tech

    You say you can hit any key. well, I did, every key on my keypad in-fact suggested to me as a first by microsoft, still had the issue, wonder how many others will hit the same issue that could have been easily avoided by not having a silly glorified splash screen.

    This is how I have seen previous operating systems from microsoft (starting windows xp)

    windows xp - very buggy at launch, two service packs later, its an ok operating system
    vista - dead in the water
    7 - sweet, lessons learn't and operating system hugely improved
    8 - hype hype hype.. drop like a rock.. it wont last long.. refer to this post in a couple of years.. its going the way of vista.
    Vista was fine after SP1, and probably before that. You're just parrotting the "conventional wisdom". You must have read an article or something.

    I know it's fun to vent (I have been known to unload from time to time), but it's usually better to just simmer down before you post trollish rants. It really doesn't make folks want to help you out. Or do you even want help?
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  8. #8


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    I often use upgrade installs, and certainly would not accept
    being prevented from doing them.

    They are not a problem if you know what you are doing, and
    how to recover if things do go pear-shaped.

    I beta-tested both Win 7 and Win 8 initially in Virtual-Box,
    then as upgrades over the host OS.

    I only did a clean install when I decided to keep Win 8, and
    by then I already knew that all my progs would work.

    I don't recommend it for newbies, though.
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  9. #9


    Never been to Heaven......
    Posts : 283
    Dual Boot: Back to W7 and Ubuntu 12.04


    No offence OP, but bye!

    If you are having technical issues, that is what we are here for. Even if you wanted to rant in between actually asking for help. But to create an account to make two posts about "how bad it is", without even asking for guidance, is both trollish and well.... ignorant. It would be like me going to a mac forum and ranting about how much I hate OSX because of the hour I spent on a friends. If you are having troubles everyone here, including the ones that are still on the fence and even the ones that really don't like it would jump in to help.

    We really need a rants and raves section, to be honest I am sick of reading these posts everyday. There is not one question for any of us to even help you with. At least put it in Chillout room and not general. Threads like this have been done over and over and over again.

    Glad you enjoy 7, it is a great OS and the seven forums are great. Some of the same folks are here too. If you decide to try it again and actually have a question, need some help, want to help someone else and not write some blog post, I and I am sure everyone else will be more than happy to read and help were we can.

    Geeve

    Edit: To keep on topic a bit, I personally had no issues with the upgrade at all, minus some live tile issues and getting my video drivers going, and the more I learn the more I am enjoying 8.
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  10. #10


    Posts : 72
    Windows 8 Pro


    Technically there's no reason to do an upgrade install, and it's often far more trouble than it's worth. Sure, it's a pain in the butt to transfer files over, re-install all your applications, and get everything configured and customized, but you end up with a better-running system in the process. In-place upgrades are mostly Microsoft's attempt to make things simpler for noobs, and those are the very users who *should* be doing clean installs.
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