Windows 8, the repeated vista failure

saltedm8

New Member
Messages
4
I downloaded windows 8 thinking that it would be a great operating system, after all, microsoft could not possibly make the same mistake twice as they messed up so big with vista I never thought any company that is suppose to be that technology advanced they could not possibly make the same mistake again.. I very quickly realized I was so wrong.

Aside from the hugely disappointing promises of 'ready' etc, this so called 'ready' operating system on install (as stated by the install screen) still took another half hour to install with lots of promises to finish soon despite the % 1 to 100 coming up several times.

Once you have been through that nightmare you suddenly realize why its like that, because Microsoft have been really kind in throwing loads of junkware on the metro screen that conveniently belongs to their services and even more conveniently you have to have a hotmail account in which to use it properly, that's not forgetting the very ability to change colour options etc in certain places requiring that account otherwise you are stigmatized without relent the refusal to allow you to use certain features.

I did not manage to fully test the operating system as much as I would have liked and there is a very good reason for that, its because I had a serious issue with it the next morning after installing it (indecently finishing late at night due to its inability to install in a decent timeframe - I might also mention that I have an i5 processor and 8 gig ram so its definitely not because I lack power that these issues happened) before I go into the error or serious issue I had, I have to make a note here of at least one or two issues when you do have access to it.

Its all well and good having an app for internet explorer and I can certainly understand that this is a new operating system and some other browsers have not caught up with the app ability of windows 8 (not really my area so I could be wrong) anywayz.. I decided to do the most horrifying thing ever, I decided to use firefox. When I installed it I had no issues but when I went to use it, it had to be used in desktop mode and the text within the webpages I was viewing and even videos were scrambled, impossible to read.. strange, so I decided to experiment with IE to be fair in desktop mode and it was exactly the same ?.. bug spray time I think

Next I decided to remove all the junk from metro and replace them with my programs, you know the ones, they are the ones you choose and not microsoft. Removing the junk and placing mine there was reasonably simple although you could only add one link at a time and not several although you can remove several at once if you wished.

I logged off for the night, excited at the possibility of playing with it the next day after uni.

I got up and switched on the pc early as I wanted to check the news etc,for some reason I did not get the mouse curser on screen so I rebooted several times to no avail. I tried a mouse and the pad, nothing made it come back, So, even though I had to be at uni because all my course work was on it I called microsoft who were useless

I spoke to a lady who, after several 'I will be right back to find out's' suggested I use another computer to download the windows 8 update again and suggested that it may have been due to an issue with the download (why on earth would I re-download it then?) ( she suggest a second computer for this..as if that is something everyone keeps in their back pockets) After 20 minutes of translating what this lady was saying to me from broken English to legible English and being put on hold 3 or 4 times I suggested that I reboot the system and purposely turn it off during boot so the computer thinks there is a startup error to offer me a fix, after being put on hold she agreed and I did it.

The computer when through the whole install process again (near enough) and my mouse was back.

The reason it was such a silly fault was simple, when you boot up windows 8 you are met with this redundant, completely useless screen with a clock, the date and a few icons on it, in order to get past that screen to login you need to click it with the mouse, so if your mouse mucks up and you don't have an alternative, lets say you have no money or its late at night, you now cannot even log into windows to do any work.. a mouse with windows 8 is now all important.. get three, just in case.

suffice to say I uninstalled windows 8 and re-installed windows 7, I wont be going back..

windows support are useless and their only answer is to re-install everything

lastly, save your money and go purchase something more useful for your computer instead, like a fluffy cover.

just my opinion.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    windows 7
Well, good riddance.

You did have a few problems, probably related to doing an upgrade. Upgrade installs are slow, because it has to not only install the OS, but it has to transfer all your settings, apps, files, etc.. to the new system. If you have a lot of files, and your registry is complex, then it can take a bit of time. A clean install takes less than 20 minutes. Upgrades are problematic, and pretty much everyone that has problems with Windows has done an upgrade install. This is nothing new to Windows 8, the same issues happened in Windows 7 and Vista and XP and pretty much every version of Windows I've used since 95.

Personally, I don't think Microsoft should do Upgrade installs. There's just too many things that can go wrong, and too many things that they can't anticipate, and too many configurations that Microsoft can't possibly test.

Second, Windows 8 does not require a mouse to login. You can hit any key and it will go to the login screen. This is simply not true what you said.

Third, your browser problems were likely from upgrading as well. You probably did not install your vendors video driver, or the Windows 7 driver was carried over. You need to install the vendor driver.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    CPU
    Intel i7 3770K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Z77X-UD4 TH
    Memory
    16GB DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia GTX 650
    Sound Card
    Onboard Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Auria 27" IPS + 2x Samsung 23"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440 + 2x 2048x1152
    Hard Drives
    Corsair m4 256GB, 2 WD 2TB drives
    Case
    Antec SOLO II
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000
    Mouse
    Logitech MX
I wholeheartedly agree with Mystere about in-place upgrades... Those are always troublesome and ill-advised.


saltedm8, I'm sorry to hear you had such difficulties, but my own experience with Windows 8 - two fresh installs, one on a desktop and one on a laptop - has been completely the opposite: It installed faster and with less hassle than any Windows OS I've ever used; it shuts down, boots, and restarts faster than any Windows OS I've ever used; and it's snappier, easier on system resources, and (so far) more reliable than any Windows OS I've ever used.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8 Pro
I: have to disagree with your colorful assessment, my computer is a new laptop.. had been used 3 or 4 times before, no excuse for the upgrade time.

I upgraded to windows 7 from my old pc, not a single issue.

Ok, I will relent with the video driver, but that still does not explain the fact on this occasion I did a better job at solving my issues than a microsoft tech

You say you can hit any key. well, I did, every key on my keypad in-fact suggested to me as a first by microsoft, still had the issue, wonder how many others will hit the same issue that could have been easily avoided by not having a silly glorified splash screen.

This is how I have seen previous operating systems from microsoft (starting windows xp)

windows xp - very buggy at launch, two service packs later, its an ok operating system
vista - dead in the water
7 - sweet, lessons learn't and operating system hugely improved
8 - hype hype hype.. drop like a rock.. it wont last long.. refer to this post in a couple of years.. its going the way of vista.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    windows 7
Hello saltedm,

I just wanted to let you know my experience. I have till now installed Windows 8 five to six times. Yes, that's the number of times I installed it . I installed the release preview in Virtual Box first. Then as a dual boot. Then RTM in the VB and again as dual boot. Installed it once in my friend's machine. Ok, that's five times.

I haven't encountered any of the problems that you had. Installed in 20 minutes each time.

If you say you don't like how it looks and the way it functions, that's ok. You may not like the Metro start screen. That's ok too. You are entitled to have your opinions.

But you can't doubt W8's performance issues. It's the fastest OS ever manufactured by MS. I know you didn't have a very good experience with Windows 8 this time. But that is not the case with everybody, and this is the main reason I wanted to write this post -> to let you know.

You might have had some unexpected problem. After all, these are machines and "complex" machines. Computers generally have problems, this is a known fact. Otherwise this forum probably wouldn't have existed at all.

I must admit that - To a certain extent - yes, it's Microsoft's fault that if the upgrade option they provide isn't reliable, they shouldn't provide it at all at the first place. Clean install is the best option any day.

You can see my specs. They are less powerful than yours. Windows 8 runs like dream on my machine. I wish I could show you.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1, Windows 7, Linux Mint 14
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavillion g4
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2330M CPU @ 2.20GHz
    Memory
    4 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1 GB Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Generic PnP Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500 GB HDD
Yes, in a way, Windows 8 shares a lot of things with Vista. Such as a reputation for being bad, when it really wasn't. Microsoft proved this with their "Mojave" experiment, in which they asked people to rate Windows Vista based on what they knew of it. It received an average of 4.4 out of 10. They then asked those same people to rate a demo of Microsoft's "new" os, code named Mojave, which was actually just Windows Vista with a Mojave name, and those same people rated it at an 8.5 out of 10.

The fact of the matter is, non-technical people get their opinions on technology from their friends that are technical. And those people, if they decide they don't like something (justified or not) end up bad mouthing it to everyone and general public opinion is bad.

Look, I would take your opinion a lot more seriously if you had actually used it for more than a few hours before going back to Windows 7. As it is, There are literally dozens of people on this board that expressed the exact same opinions as you after having used it briefly, but many of them have changed their mind after using it for a period of time.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    CPU
    Intel i7 3770K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Z77X-UD4 TH
    Memory
    16GB DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia GTX 650
    Sound Card
    Onboard Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Auria 27" IPS + 2x Samsung 23"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440 + 2x 2048x1152
    Hard Drives
    Corsair m4 256GB, 2 WD 2TB drives
    Case
    Antec SOLO II
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000
    Mouse
    Logitech MX
I: have to disagree with your colorful assessment, my computer is a new laptop.. had been used 3 or 4 times before, no excuse for the upgrade time.

I upgraded to windows 7 from my old pc, not a single issue.

Ok, I will relent with the video driver, but that still does not explain the fact on this occasion I did a better job at solving my issues than a microsoft tech

You say you can hit any key. well, I did, every key on my keypad in-fact suggested to me as a first by microsoft, still had the issue, wonder how many others will hit the same issue that could have been easily avoided by not having a silly glorified splash screen.

This is how I have seen previous operating systems from microsoft (starting windows xp)

windows xp - very buggy at launch, two service packs later, its an ok operating system
vista - dead in the water
7 - sweet, lessons learn't and operating system hugely improved
8 - hype hype hype.. drop like a rock.. it wont last long.. refer to this post in a couple of years.. its going the way of vista.

Vista was fine after SP1, and probably before that. You're just parrotting the "conventional wisdom". You must have read an article or something.

I know it's fun to vent (I have been known to unload from time to time), but it's usually better to just simmer down before you post trollish rants. It really doesn't make folks want to help you out. Or do you even want help?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Compac Presario SR5518F
    CPU
    Dual Pentium E2180 (2 GHz)
    Motherboard
    MS-7525 (Boston)
    Memory
    4 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT
I often use upgrade installs, and certainly would not accept
being prevented from doing them.

They are not a problem if you know what you are doing, and
how to recover if things do go pear-shaped.

I beta-tested both Win 7 and Win 8 initially in Virtual-Box,
then as upgrades over the host OS.

I only did a clean install when I decided to keep Win 8, and
by then I already knew that all my progs would work.

I don't recommend it for newbies, though.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire Ethos AS8951G 'Super-Laptop'.
    CPU
    Intel Sandy-Bridge i7-2670QM quad-core
    Motherboard
    Acer
    Memory
    8GB DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 3000HD / Ge-Force GT555M 2 gigs
    Sound Card
    Realtek/5.1 Dolby built-in including speakers.
    Monitor(s) Displays
    18.4" full-HD
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1024
    Hard Drives
    2x750GB Toshiba internal, 1x500GB Seagate external, 1x2TB Seagate external, 1x640GB Toshiba pocket-drive, 1x640GB Samsung pocket drive.
    PSU
    Stock
    Case
    Laptop
    Cooling
    Air-cooled
    Mouse
    I/R cordless.
    Internet Speed
    Borderline pathetic.
No offence OP, but bye!

If you are having technical issues, that is what we are here for. Even if you wanted to rant in between actually asking for help. But to create an account to make two posts about "how bad it is", without even asking for guidance, is both trollish and well.... ignorant. It would be like me going to a mac forum and ranting about how much I hate OSX because of the hour I spent on a friends. If you are having troubles everyone here, including the ones that are still on the fence and even the ones that really don't like it would jump in to help.

We really need a rants and raves section, to be honest I am sick of reading these posts everyday. There is not one question for any of us to even help you with. At least put it in Chillout room and not general. Threads like this have been done over and over and over again.

Glad you enjoy 7, it is a great OS and the seven forums are great. Some of the same folks are here too. If you decide to try it again and actually have a question, need some help, want to help someone else and not write some blog post, I and I am sure everyone else will be more than happy to read and help were we can.

Geeve

Edit: To keep on topic a bit, I personally had no issues with the upgrade at all, minus some live tile issues and getting my video drivers going, and the more I learn the more I am enjoying 8.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Dual Boot: Back to W7 and Ubuntu 12.04
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Dimension E521
    CPU
    AMD AthlonTM 64 X2 dual-core
    Memory
    4 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia 9800 GT 1GB
    Sound Card
    M-Audio Mobile Pre USB External
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 1916W
    Screen Resolution
    1440X900
    Hard Drives
    250 GB internal main, 500 GB internal backup, 1TB External
    PSU
    300 Watt (Dell stock)
    Case
    Dell Stock
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Mouse
    Dell
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    MSE/Defender or whatever it's called now
    Other Info
    Acer aspire One D255, Windows 8.1.1 Pro, 2GB Ram, Intel Atom N450 1.6Ghz
Technically there's no reason to do an upgrade install, and it's often far more trouble than it's worth. Sure, it's a pain in the butt to transfer files over, re-install all your applications, and get everything configured and customized, but you end up with a better-running system in the process. In-place upgrades are mostly Microsoft's attempt to make things simpler for noobs, and those are the very users who *should* be doing clean installs.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8 Pro
I downloaded windows 8 thinking that it would be a great operating system, after all, microsoft could not possibly make the same mistake twice as they messed up so big with vista I never thought any company that is suppose to be that technology advanced they could not possibly make the same mistake again.. I very quickly realized I was so wrong.

Aside from the hugely disappointing promises of 'ready' etc, this so called 'ready' operating system on install (as stated by the install screen) still took another half hour to install with lots of promises to finish soon despite the % 1 to 100 coming up several times.

Once you have been through that nightmare you suddenly realize why its like that, because Microsoft have been really kind in throwing loads of junkware on the metro screen that conveniently belongs to their services and even more conveniently you have to have a hotmail account in which to use it properly, that's not forgetting the very ability to change colour options etc in certain places requiring that account otherwise you are stigmatized without relent the refusal to allow you to use certain features.

I did not manage to fully test the operating system as much as I would have liked and there is a very good reason for that, its because I had a serious issue with it the next morning after installing it (indecently finishing late at night due to its inability to install in a decent timeframe - I might also mention that I have an i5 processor and 8 gig ram so its definitely not because I lack power that these issues happened) before I go into the error or serious issue I had, I have to make a note here of at least one or two issues when you do have access to it.

Its all well and good having an app for internet explorer and I can certainly understand that this is a new operating system and some other browsers have not caught up with the app ability of windows 8 (not really my area so I could be wrong) anywayz.. I decided to do the most horrifying thing ever, I decided to use firefox. When I installed it I had no issues but when I went to use it, it had to be used in desktop mode and the text within the webpages I was viewing and even videos were scrambled, impossible to read.. strange, so I decided to experiment with IE to be fair in desktop mode and it was exactly the same ?.. bug spray time I think

Next I decided to remove all the junk from metro and replace them with my programs, you know the ones, they are the ones you choose and not microsoft. Removing the junk and placing mine there was reasonably simple although you could only add one link at a time and not several although you can remove several at once if you wished.

I logged off for the night, excited at the possibility of playing with it the next day after uni.

I got up and switched on the pc early as I wanted to check the news etc,for some reason I did not get the mouse curser on screen so I rebooted several times to no avail. I tried a mouse and the pad, nothing made it come back, So, even though I had to be at uni because all my course work was on it I called microsoft who were useless

I spoke to a lady who, after several 'I will be right back to find out's' suggested I use another computer to download the windows 8 update again and suggested that it may have been due to an issue with the download (why on earth would I re-download it then?) ( she suggest a second computer for this..as if that is something everyone keeps in their back pockets) After 20 minutes of translating what this lady was saying to me from broken English to legible English and being put on hold 3 or 4 times I suggested that I reboot the system and purposely turn it off during boot so the computer thinks there is a startup error to offer me a fix, after being put on hold she agreed and I did it.

The computer when through the whole install process again (near enough) and my mouse was back.

The reason it was such a silly fault was simple, when you boot up windows 8 you are met with this redundant, completely useless screen with a clock, the date and a few icons on it, in order to get past that screen to login you need to click it with the mouse, so if your mouse mucks up and you don't have an alternative, lets say you have no money or its late at night, you now cannot even log into windows to do any work.. a mouse with windows 8 is now all important.. get three, just in case.

suffice to say I uninstalled windows 8 and re-installed windows 7, I wont be going back..

windows support are useless and their only answer is to re-install everything

lastly, save your money and go purchase something more useful for your computer instead, like a fluffy cover.

just my opinion.

That is odd. I have installed it on several pc's, from the release previews to the final release.
My pc's are older than yours, wolfdale chips with 4 gigs of ram.
I have no problems at all.

I even installed it on my wife's pc, and she is not a strong pc user.
She picked it up in a couple of hours and has not even had any questions about it.

Rod
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 8
This is forum.

The OP is pefectly entitled to start a thread detailing his own experiences and impressions.

That is what a Forum is for.

No need to be rude and tell him he is wrong or dumb , or anything else.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
I was about to say, why come to a Windows 8 forum to rant about how an upgrade install of Windows 8 went foul and call it vista when instead of dealing with Microsoft support, you could had posted about this issue and gotten help from people that have worked with Windows and computer issues for years and years and years and decades?

Setting that aside, upgrade installs are muck. Friends don't let friends do upgrade installs. Drivers can screw things up, registry muck can carry over, and other weird things can occur. It would had been best to download Windows 8, save it as an .iso or make a bootable USB drive or DVD to do a clean custom install of it, and reinstall the needed programs and/or drivers, cut and paste user data over, and be done with it.

And I dispute the lock screen, which you call redundant. I find it useful as do others. I know someone that literally just locks their desktop because she finds the lock screen to the best feature of Windows 8.

I think if one were to learn a lesson here, don't use Microsoft support, don't come to a Windows 8 forum full of tech-minded people and rant about issues you were having and use said forum to try and figure out your problem, which by the way many would recommend doing a clean install over an upgrade. :) An upgrade is a crapshoot. Yeah, some will have good reports of it, most will have a bug or two or something more fatal happening to them. Just because Windows 7 upgraded nicely on your laptop doesn't mean Windows 8 will. Mind you, Windows 8 has gone through MILLIONS of lines of code changes just within its development phase, let alone compared to 7.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014
I've had issues with the release preview and I tried it a few times before it worked. I would say try again. As for microsoft support it's probably as good as most support which is to say not that great. I've called microsoft before and the lady on the phone was unhelpful and I ended up solving my own problems without her help. But if you are still having troubles you should definitely call them again. But if it's just install issues I'd say just try it again. Hope all goes well for you. Keep the forum posted if you still have troubles and can't get help anywhere else.
 

My Computer

This is forum.

The OP is pefectly entitled to start a thread detailing his own experiences and impressions.

That is what a Forum is for.

No need to be rude and tell him he is wrong or dumb , or anything else.
:ditto:

A lot of people are joining this forum to express their strong disappointment at Microsoft, and feel this is the best forum in which to express this disappointment. A lot of people even think this is the official MS forum!

This forum is not just all about helping others use W8.

Instead of attacking newcomers who have been "shell shocked" by W8, lets try some reconciliatory approach instead of alienating them further by telling them it's the our way or the highway.

Alienation only polarizes people into opposite camps, and further lessens the possibility of them ever coming back.

So the guy hates it. So what? Big deal. Let him hate it. You love it, he hates it. Live and let live. I mean why does it bother you so much that some hate it? :confused: If it's as good as the pro 8 mob think, then he's the loser!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Built as DIY
    CPU
    6 core 12 thread & 4 core
    Motherboard
    Inel Extreme & Intel standard
    Memory
    12GB & 8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    3 top end SLI linked & onboard
    Sound Card
    In built in graphics card & onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24 & 23 inch Samsung LED backlit
    Screen Resolution
    High def
    Hard Drives
    Corsair Force 128GB SATA3 SSDs in each machine. Plus several external USB3 and eSATA spinner HDs
Some people get upset if others don't share their prejudices/bias/opinions.

It's a sad thing to see.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
How does that maxim go?

When others say it, it's arrogance!

When I say it, it's initiative! :p

Little bit of philosophising there for you sunshine! :thumb: See, this forum is diversified!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Built as DIY
    CPU
    6 core 12 thread & 4 core
    Motherboard
    Inel Extreme & Intel standard
    Memory
    12GB & 8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    3 top end SLI linked & onboard
    Sound Card
    In built in graphics card & onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24 & 23 inch Samsung LED backlit
    Screen Resolution
    High def
    Hard Drives
    Corsair Force 128GB SATA3 SSDs in each machine. Plus several external USB3 and eSATA spinner HDs
Thank you SIW2 I apreashate that

Some of the accusations I have had in this thead is being a troll, not being technically able and because I never asked a question my opinion does not count.

Does not sound like a forum iwould want anything more to do with, but before I go I am going to set some of you arrogant people straight

lets start with technically able - I am a web developer, ok not a software developer but I have had loads of experience in operating system fault finding and repair.. how many other people do you know that purposly download viruses onto their computer just to see how easy or hard it is to remove them from your system?

I own and run a web design forum (webprocafe), you may of heard of it as ita at the top of the search engines for terms like 'web design forums' 'web design forum' 'web design help', obviously this in no way qualifies me to assess the operating system professionally but like everyone else I am entitled to my opinion and to share that opinion, I encourage it on my site because there are always two sides of the coin.

Those that accused me of being 'troll like' obviously have no idea where the term come from or what it really means, I will not waste my time explaining it to you, but its enough to say that I go to canterbury christ church university and part of my studies is contextual theory (contextual theory the theory of how environmental design and planning of new development should relate to its context.) - that is wikopedia's description.. basically it means I am studying the relationship between design and text, which in part means I have studied to know what a troll is, I doubt any of you have due to the context that you readilly throw that word around.

If opinion is not allowed on this forum and you only accept questions and not debates then I am sorry, I will be sure that if anyone else has opinions in the future or even questions (as no-one wants to sign up to 2 websites really) I will be sure to keep them away from your website.

lastly, just to point something out from wikipedia (sorry about the quoting but it explains some true things better than I can )

The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."

just informing you.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    windows 7
This is forum.

The OP is pefectly entitled to start a thread detailing his own experiences and impressions.

That is what a Forum is for.

No need to be rude and tell him he is wrong or dumb , or anything else.
:ditto:

A lot of people are joining this forum to express their strong disappointment at Microsoft, and feel this is the best forum in which to express this disappointment. A lot of people even think this is the official MS forum!

This forum is not just all about helping others use W8.

Instead of attacking newcomers who have been "shell shocked" by W8, lets try some reconciliatory approach instead of alienating them further by telling them it's the our way or the highway.

Alienation only polarizes people into opposite camps, and further lessens the possibility of them ever coming back.

So the guy hates it. So what? Big deal. Let him hate it. You love it, he hates it. Live and let live. I mean why does it bother you so much that some hate it? :confused: If it's as good as the pro 8 mob think, then he's the loser!

I joined, saw many of the negatives along with several positives and thought it can't be that bad. So I downloaded and dual booted and it simply wasn't for me. I never saw any speed improvements over Win7 but that doesn't mean to say there aren't any with other set-ups.

It all depends on what your individual requirements are and that includes whether you like or dislike the Win8 UI. For me I couldn't see any real world improvements so I'll stay as I am.

For the record and going OT, my mobile is a Blackberry - I prefer the physical keyboard to those offered by Apple, Samsung, etc. And yes I have tried them but they're simply not for me so that puts me firmly in the minority according to those statistics. Maybe one day the mobile physical keyboard will no longer be available so I'll have to make a choice. Same goes with Win7 and who knows what the plans of MS are.

But agree, there is no need for rudeness of any description simply because someone has an opposite view to your own.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5 2400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI HD3870
    Sound Card
    On-board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1280
    Hard Drives
    128gb SSD, 500gb SATA
    PSU
    Coolermaster
    Case
    Zalman Z7
    Cooling
    Air
    Keyboard
    Logitech Illuminated wired
    Mouse
    MS Optical wireless
    Antivirus
    Avast
Back
Top