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Windows 8, the repeated vista failure

  1. #11


    Quote Originally Posted by saltedm8 View Post
    I downloaded windows 8 thinking that it would be a great operating system, after all, microsoft could not possibly make the same mistake twice as they messed up so big with vista I never thought any company that is suppose to be that technology advanced they could not possibly make the same mistake again.. I very quickly realized I was so wrong.

    Aside from the hugely disappointing promises of 'ready' etc, this so called 'ready' operating system on install (as stated by the install screen) still took another half hour to install with lots of promises to finish soon despite the % 1 to 100 coming up several times.

    Once you have been through that nightmare you suddenly realize why its like that, because Microsoft have been really kind in throwing loads of junkware on the metro screen that conveniently belongs to their services and even more conveniently you have to have a hotmail account in which to use it properly, that's not forgetting the very ability to change colour options etc in certain places requiring that account otherwise you are stigmatized without relent the refusal to allow you to use certain features.

    I did not manage to fully test the operating system as much as I would have liked and there is a very good reason for that, its because I had a serious issue with it the next morning after installing it (indecently finishing late at night due to its inability to install in a decent timeframe - I might also mention that I have an i5 processor and 8 gig ram so its definitely not because I lack power that these issues happened) before I go into the error or serious issue I had, I have to make a note here of at least one or two issues when you do have access to it.

    Its all well and good having an app for internet explorer and I can certainly understand that this is a new operating system and some other browsers have not caught up with the app ability of windows 8 (not really my area so I could be wrong) anywayz.. I decided to do the most horrifying thing ever, I decided to use firefox. When I installed it I had no issues but when I went to use it, it had to be used in desktop mode and the text within the webpages I was viewing and even videos were scrambled, impossible to read.. strange, so I decided to experiment with IE to be fair in desktop mode and it was exactly the same ?.. bug spray time I think

    Next I decided to remove all the junk from metro and replace them with my programs, you know the ones, they are the ones you choose and not microsoft. Removing the junk and placing mine there was reasonably simple although you could only add one link at a time and not several although you can remove several at once if you wished.

    I logged off for the night, excited at the possibility of playing with it the next day after uni.

    I got up and switched on the pc early as I wanted to check the news etc,for some reason I did not get the mouse curser on screen so I rebooted several times to no avail. I tried a mouse and the pad, nothing made it come back, So, even though I had to be at uni because all my course work was on it I called microsoft who were useless

    I spoke to a lady who, after several 'I will be right back to find out's' suggested I use another computer to download the windows 8 update again and suggested that it may have been due to an issue with the download (why on earth would I re-download it then?) ( she suggest a second computer for this..as if that is something everyone keeps in their back pockets) After 20 minutes of translating what this lady was saying to me from broken English to legible English and being put on hold 3 or 4 times I suggested that I reboot the system and purposely turn it off during boot so the computer thinks there is a startup error to offer me a fix, after being put on hold she agreed and I did it.

    The computer when through the whole install process again (near enough) and my mouse was back.

    The reason it was such a silly fault was simple, when you boot up windows 8 you are met with this redundant, completely useless screen with a clock, the date and a few icons on it, in order to get past that screen to login you need to click it with the mouse, so if your mouse mucks up and you don't have an alternative, lets say you have no money or its late at night, you now cannot even log into windows to do any work.. a mouse with windows 8 is now all important.. get three, just in case.

    suffice to say I uninstalled windows 8 and re-installed windows 7, I wont be going back..

    windows support are useless and their only answer is to re-install everything

    lastly, save your money and go purchase something more useful for your computer instead, like a fluffy cover.

    just my opinion.
    That is odd. I have installed it on several pc's, from the release previews to the final release.
    My pc's are older than yours, wolfdale chips with 4 gigs of ram.
    I have no problems at all.

    I even installed it on my wife's pc, and she is not a strong pc user.
    She picked it up in a couple of hours and has not even had any questions about it.

    Rod

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  2. #12


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    This is forum.

    The OP is pefectly entitled to start a thread detailing his own experiences and impressions.

    That is what a Forum is for.

    No need to be rude and tell him he is wrong or dumb , or anything else.
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  3. #13


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    This is forum.

    The OP is pefectly entitled to start a thread detailing his own experiences and impressions.

    That is what a Forum is for.

    No need to be rude and tell him he is wrong or dumb , or anything else.
    Is this to me? I didn't think I said anything rude?

    Rod
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  4. #14


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I was about to say, why come to a Windows 8 forum to rant about how an upgrade install of Windows 8 went foul and call it vista when instead of dealing with Microsoft support, you could had posted about this issue and gotten help from people that have worked with Windows and computer issues for years and years and years and decades?

    Setting that aside, upgrade installs are muck. Friends don't let friends do upgrade installs. Drivers can screw things up, registry muck can carry over, and other weird things can occur. It would had been best to download Windows 8, save it as an .iso or make a bootable USB drive or DVD to do a clean custom install of it, and reinstall the needed programs and/or drivers, cut and paste user data over, and be done with it.

    And I dispute the lock screen, which you call redundant. I find it useful as do others. I know someone that literally just locks their desktop because she finds the lock screen to the best feature of Windows 8.

    I think if one were to learn a lesson here, don't use Microsoft support, don't come to a Windows 8 forum full of tech-minded people and rant about issues you were having and use said forum to try and figure out your problem, which by the way many would recommend doing a clean install over an upgrade. An upgrade is a crapshoot. Yeah, some will have good reports of it, most will have a bug or two or something more fatal happening to them. Just because Windows 7 upgraded nicely on your laptop doesn't mean Windows 8 will. Mind you, Windows 8 has gone through MILLIONS of lines of code changes just within its development phase, let alone compared to 7.
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  5. #15


    I've had issues with the release preview and I tried it a few times before it worked. I would say try again. As for microsoft support it's probably as good as most support which is to say not that great. I've called microsoft before and the lady on the phone was unhelpful and I ended up solving my own problems without her help. But if you are still having troubles you should definitely call them again. But if it's just install issues I'd say just try it again. Hope all goes well for you. Keep the forum posted if you still have troubles and can't get help anywhere else.
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  6. #16


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    This is forum.

    The OP is pefectly entitled to start a thread detailing his own experiences and impressions.

    That is what a Forum is for.

    No need to be rude and tell him he is wrong or dumb , or anything else.


    A lot of people are joining this forum to express their strong disappointment at Microsoft, and feel this is the best forum in which to express this disappointment. A lot of people even think this is the official MS forum!

    This forum is not just all about helping others use W8.

    Instead of attacking newcomers who have been "shell shocked" by W8, lets try some reconciliatory approach instead of alienating them further by telling them it's the our way or the highway.

    Alienation only polarizes people into opposite camps, and further lessens the possibility of them ever coming back.

    So the guy hates it. So what? Big deal. Let him hate it. You love it, he hates it. Live and let live. I mean why does it bother you so much that some hate it? If it's as good as the pro 8 mob think, then he's the loser!
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  7. #17


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Some people get upset if others don't share their prejudices/bias/opinions.

    It's a sad thing to see.
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  8. #18


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    How does that maxim go?

    When others say it, it's arrogance!

    When I say it, it's initiative!

    Little bit of philosophising there for you sunshine! See, this forum is diversified!
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  9. #19


    Posts : 4
    windows 7


    Thank you SIW2 I apreashate that

    Some of the accusations I have had in this thead is being a troll, not being technically able and because I never asked a question my opinion does not count.

    Does not sound like a forum iwould want anything more to do with, but before I go I am going to set some of you arrogant people straight

    lets start with technically able - I am a web developer, ok not a software developer but I have had loads of experience in operating system fault finding and repair.. how many other people do you know that purposly download viruses onto their computer just to see how easy or hard it is to remove them from your system?

    I own and run a web design forum (webprocafe), you may of heard of it as ita at the top of the search engines for terms like 'web design forums' 'web design forum' 'web design help', obviously this in no way qualifies me to assess the operating system professionally but like everyone else I am entitled to my opinion and to share that opinion, I encourage it on my site because there are always two sides of the coin.

    Those that accused me of being 'troll like' obviously have no idea where the term come from or what it really means, I will not waste my time explaining it to you, but its enough to say that I go to canterbury christ church university and part of my studies is contextual theory (contextual theory the theory of how environmental design and planning of new development should relate to its context.) - that is wikopedia's description.. basically it means I am studying the relationship between design and text, which in part means I have studied to know what a troll is, I doubt any of you have due to the context that you readilly throw that word around.

    If opinion is not allowed on this forum and you only accept questions and not debates then I am sorry, I will be sure that if anyone else has opinions in the future or even questions (as no-one wants to sign up to 2 websites really) I will be sure to keep them away from your website.

    lastly, just to point something out from wikipedia (sorry about the quoting but it explains some true things better than I can )

    The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."

    just informing you.
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  10. #20


    Posts : 239
    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    This is forum.

    The OP is pefectly entitled to start a thread detailing his own experiences and impressions.

    That is what a Forum is for.

    No need to be rude and tell him he is wrong or dumb , or anything else.


    A lot of people are joining this forum to express their strong disappointment at Microsoft, and feel this is the best forum in which to express this disappointment. A lot of people even think this is the official MS forum!

    This forum is not just all about helping others use W8.

    Instead of attacking newcomers who have been "shell shocked" by W8, lets try some reconciliatory approach instead of alienating them further by telling them it's the our way or the highway.

    Alienation only polarizes people into opposite camps, and further lessens the possibility of them ever coming back.

    So the guy hates it. So what? Big deal. Let him hate it. You love it, he hates it. Live and let live. I mean why does it bother you so much that some hate it? If it's as good as the pro 8 mob think, then he's the loser!
    I joined, saw many of the negatives along with several positives and thought it can't be that bad. So I downloaded and dual booted and it simply wasn't for me. I never saw any speed improvements over Win7 but that doesn't mean to say there aren't any with other set-ups.

    It all depends on what your individual requirements are and that includes whether you like or dislike the Win8 UI. For me I couldn't see any real world improvements so I'll stay as I am.

    For the record and going OT, my mobile is a Blackberry - I prefer the physical keyboard to those offered by Apple, Samsung, etc. And yes I have tried them but they're simply not for me so that puts me firmly in the minority according to those statistics. Maybe one day the mobile physical keyboard will no longer be available so I'll have to make a choice. Same goes with Win7 and who knows what the plans of MS are.

    But agree, there is no need for rudeness of any description simply because someone has an opposite view to your own.
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