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EFI booting: Why?

  1. #11


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    Yes, the original proposal from MS on oem licensing created such a stink - they had to change it.

    I think they knew that would happen. MS weren't expecting to get away with something so blatant. It was a double bluff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post


    BIOS has been around for a very long while on billions of machines. That is because it works well - and it is well understood.
    Yeah, because my dad, my friends and their parents know the intricacies of what AHCI Boot and IDE mode and Boot order and Northbridge are....
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    I don't understand why there is resistance against UEFI? It's like if anything is new and different, first thing is to list a few reasons why it's awful and no one is going to use it and it's just an effort to lock things out.

    Good grief.

    It's there for booting off of hard drives larger than 2.5 TB, it's LOADS faster, handles things better, like a few others have said already. Not being able to boot in Safe Mode after BIOS is only a bad thing if you're a tech head and you boot into Safe Mode every week. For the rest of the Windows using world, not a lot know what Safe Mode is let alone what it is used for and does. That's the tradeoff for faster boot times.

    I was playing with Vizio's ultrabook the other day and restarted it to show off to my friend what a SSD can do, I totally forgot and realized the eight seconds of boot time didn't even show a BIOS screen. Even in some laptops like from Toshiba have the option to for quick BIOS booting to the point where you don't see anything happen except for the Windows boot screen. Is that a bad thing, being able to boot faster, using extobytes of hard drive storage, use your mouse to navigate around, and secure booting (for example since Intel bought McAfee their software will be able to load right then and there at the chipset level)?

    Good riddance to BIOS, I'm don't use DOS and therefore don't want to use something that looks like it came from the loins of the DOS age.
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    Horse and buggies were around for a very long time too. I certainly long for the day when a trip from the Missouri river to Oregon took months, you had to worry about cholera, attacks by indigenous Indians, the weather, and fording major rivers and crossing high elevations and passes in the mountains of the west with livestock and wagons. Those were the good old days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I don't understand why there is resistance against UEFI? It's like if anything is new and different, first thing is to list a few reasons why it's awful and no one is going to use it and it's just an effort to lock things out.
    Because, Richard Stallman wrote a scare piece a few years back about the "Trusted Computing Platform", which includes EFI and secure boot, and warned everyone that Microsoft was coming to take their computers away from them.

    It's the same reason people have been raging against the DRM. It's true that DRM when applied to music and books and such is bad, but there are good uses of DRM (like protecting your own files from being read by those you don't want to read them, and protecting sensitive information like credit card numbers and health records from prying eyes).

    These groups of people are part of the "Tossing the baby out with the bathwater" party. If something could possibly be used badly, then they demand it doesn't exist at all.

    This is the same group of people that got uppity about Microsoft's XML document standard (claiming the world would end if there was more than one ISO document standard.. funny how nothing bad has come of it).

    This crap floats around the internet, and people only skim it and draw the conclusions that this or that is bad...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    Horse and buggies were around for a very long time too. I certainly long for the day when a trip from the Missouri river to Oregon took months, you had to worry about cholera, attacks by indigenous Indians, the weather, and fording major rivers and crossing high elevations and passes in the mountains of the west with livestock and wagons. Those were the good old days.
    I remember those cassette walkmans. They were the bees knees!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I remember those cassette walkmans. They were the bees knees!

    so you are older than I tough
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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I remember those cassette walkmans. They were the bees knees!

    so you are older than I tough
    I also remember those VHS cassette tapes and being able to record over movies with other movies, or recording TV shows. Now THAT was the bees knees!
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    I remember to use VHS recorder to make back up on Apple II PC , A JVC at the time was $ 1200 more than the price we pay for a Apple II clone ( yes we have clones copy of Apple stuff at the time)
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  10. #20


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    The bees' knees was soldering together your own 8080 and ordering RAM from a catalog to solder on and upgrade your awesome machine with!!!!

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