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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin View Post
    But , wouldn`t that depend on the CPU? FOr an example, Intel gives a processor a K prefix, which means they should be able to be overclocked.
    No. The K means "Unlocked" not "Overclocked". What it means is that you can unlock the CPU multipliers, this makes it easier to overclock, but it's not overclocking in and of itself. By changing the multipler, you can increase performance while still keeping the proper bus speed ratio, meaning you can overclock the processor without overclocking the chipset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin View Post
    But , wouldn`t that depend on the CPU? FOr an example, Intel gives a processor a K prefix, which means they should be able to be overclocked.
    No. The K means "Unlocked" not "Overclocked". What it means is that you can unlock the CPU multipliers, this makes it easier to overclock, but it's not overclocking in and of itself. By changing the multipler, you can increase performance while still keeping the proper bus speed ratio, meaning you can overclock the processor without overclocking the chipset.
    Yup, i never said it was overclocked, i said it should be able to overclock it.As it is already unlocked, you don`t need to unlock it as it is already done.If you have a processor without the K, it means it would be locked, and would be unlikely be worth trying any overclock
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  3. #333


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    Windows 8.1 Professional x64


    I have both my CPU and my two GPUs overclocked with no issues, same as in 7 and Vista. It must be a hardware issue. Whether it be your CPU, ram, mobo, whatever. 8 is not at fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gazz9496 View Post
    overclocking is a mystical beast, you can get 2 computers that run identical hardware and software and get different stability levels at different overclock levels.

    if it runs stable at stock then gradually overclock untill it falls over at peak settings, then step back from that and retest for stability again and again, what worked under one set of circumstances may not work under others.
    That is true, but if you get an overclock of 10% on windows7, then surely that means you should get at least the same, with windows8 using exactly the same computer?

    you'd like to think so

    it could be that the newish windows 8 has some other stability issues that is causing the problem, but it really shouldn't be affecting an overclock.

    prior to my last upgrade i my pc was quite heavily overclocked, but over time that oc became unstable to the point i couldn't keep it up anymore without causing problems, it could be the same.
    since then i've not overclocked my current system to stay away from stability issues and instead just add in better parts than my needs so i don't need to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin View Post
    But , wouldn`t that depend on the CPU? FOr an example, Intel gives a processor a K prefix, which means they should be able to be overclocked.
    No. The K means "Unlocked" not "Overclocked". What it means is that you can unlock the CPU multipliers, this makes it easier to overclock, but it's not overclocking in and of itself. By changing the multipler, you can increase performance while still keeping the proper bus speed ratio, meaning you can overclock the processor without overclocking the chipset.
    Yup, i never said it was overclocked, i said it should be able to overclock it.As it is already unlocked, you don`t need to unlock it as it is already done.If you have a processor without the K, it means it would be locked, and would be unlikely be worth trying any overclock

    just the multiplier that has reduced movment but it does have some.

    you can still overclock the non k versions they just require a bit more knowledge of overclocking to do it and some limitations due to the semi static nature of the multiplier.

    personally if someone buys a 3770k and still need to overclock to get a game to run better that person needs to look at the rest of their pc before doing an overclock, because it won't get better.

    overclocking is great if you are reaching the limits of your cpu but i have an older i7 2600 and don't cap it in anything so i have never needed to overclock simply because most games couldn't if they tried and most applications can't either.

    the one i do have that can cap it is 3d studio max and that will cap any and all cpu's on the market even the xeons so an oc won't do squat but a better cpu will make it do the same render in less time, time is something i have a spare £250+ i don't so an oc is not something i would consider just for a render that will take .3 secs faster.
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  6. #336


    Helena Al
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    Windows 8 64bit Pro


    This guy is having the same problem I'm having and blames it on the BIOS Windows 8 Pro RTM issues but I still say they had to change the program enough that it caused the problem since windows 7 never had this problem..not enough for me to go out and buy a new computer..just will run it at stock clocking..problem solved!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bham4ever View Post
    This guy is having the same problem I'm having and blames it on the BIOS Windows 8 Pro RTM issues but I still say they had to change the program enough that it caused the problem since windows 7 never had this problem..not enough for me to go out and buy a new computer..just will run it at stock clocking..problem solved!
    Did you do an upgrade install or clean install?
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    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP


    If my Win7 installations become unsupportable to the point of being unusable for some reason, then that's when I say bye to MS unless Win8, or whatever, is made to give users the option of completely avoiding Charm and Metro. i.e., I want the option of using Win8 or whatever in a way that is better than or equivalent to the way I use Win7. As things stand, I won't be spending any more money on Win8 or computers that come with Win8. And, there really seems to be no significant reason to keep getting Office upgrades--again unless usefulness of what I already have becomes too problematic. The last version of Office does soooooo much more than I need. The new one is nice, but I certainly wouldn't spend a significant, if any, amount on it.
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  9. #339


    BELGIUM
    Posts : 503
    WINDOWS 8.1 x64


    "Why is it, if you question anything against windows 8, you are immedialtly bashing.It is like some fanatical religion to some people.I wasn`t bashing , just asking a simple question that i believe Mystere has given a reasonable explaination which i am happy with. Plus just running some factory overclocked memry doesnt really answer my question"

    I am not bashing anyone, but have had with the negative posts about Win 8.

    So if you don't like it, don't use it.


    I dislike Win 7, am not bashing it, but am not using it either.

    Jeff
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazz9496 View Post
    you can still overclock the non k versions they just require a bit more knowledge of overclocking to do it and some limitations due to the semi static nature of the multiplier.
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    You can't go over a Bus Speed of more than 107 BCLK, this means you will push a 3.4 CPU at 3.6 it's not worth
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