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Is Windows 8 a failure ? Time to say bye, bye MSFT ?

  1. #301


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMasterFX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steveb View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck;
    It took a Herculean effort to mint an O/S that could support two totally different platforms and not seriously break the original.

    -Max
    Two different platforms require two different OS, why don't ballet dancers wear ski boots? Absolute stupidity.
    That sums up everything perfectly. Microsoft does not want to build a mobile operating system that works on tablets and phones. (I heard they also want Windows 8 to run on phones) They should have made it that way instead. Build Windows Metro OS or whatevers that includes only the necessary components that are needed in a mobile device. Only include drivers that are only needed in that particular device (make the oem include their own drivers) instead of putting everything including the useless rt desktop and also consuming 16gb of i don't know what.

    As for Windows 8 on the desktop, a lot could be done to make desktop productivity more efficient instead of making everything fullscreen.
    My original position on the matter (and one I still think valid) is that they should have built an entirely separate O/S for tablets and left the desktop system alone. Sure, provide an extension for the desktop to simulate the Metro side when doing development work but not subjugate the desktop "underneath" Metro. So, in that aspect, maybe we can label Microsoft "lazy", if you will.

    As far as how it will actually do in the market, who knows? I was OK with it on my laptop (desktop replacement) box until I ran into a few glitches I couldn't live with but it worked "fine" for the most part. Still ... now that I've gone back to Win7 I haven't yet found myself going "oh darn ... that [fill-in item here] isn't on my system anymore so I can't do [fill-in item here]".

    After using an iPad for six months and my iPhones for a couple years I know I wouldn't care for the Metro front-end on a mobile device that much. I've played with a Surface. I walked out of the store with a distinct "Meh" feel even as I was experimenting with Win8 on my other machine. To repeat: it's "OK" but it's almost a solution looking for a problem. I'm certainly all for competition in the marketplace but is Microsoft too late with this one? Maybe so.

    As far as the "Surface Pro" is concerned I think MS is shooting themselves in the foot with their pricing structure. I just bought a laptop 4 months ago that would blow the door off the Surface Pro performance-wise and it cost less than an entry-level Surface Pro is going to cost.

    This has been a weird year. I feel like I've wasted a lot of time on this one!

    -Max

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  2. #302


    Posts : 1
    Windows 8/Windows 7


    All I can say is please release Windows 9! as soon as possible and force us all to buy new hardware again!!

    Sorry folks, I just upgraded one of my 5 machines to 8. I am not happy. This METRO look is for common use items like a smartphone or a tablet; something that has a touch screen built into.

    PCs need to be practical and easy to use. This bouncing back and forth between Start screens and desktops is for the birds. Power users need to have the programs they need available when they want them, therefore shortcuts on the desktop make the START SCREEN redundant right off the get go.

    Now with Windows 8, if I don't have a shortcut on the desktop for something I need, what do I have to do... Oh!! instead of calling the start menu I have to go back to the START SCREEN... OH NO it's not there, Right click a corner and call ALL APPS.... THEN LOOK THROUGH THE BLOODY MESS offered there to find the product I'm looking for and I had better remember who produced the product I need...

    Heck, Microsoft themselves couldn't even get this straight. Microsoft Live, Microsoft Games, Microsoft Keyboard, Microsoft Mouse, Microsoft Office and god forbid, the WINDOWS stuff comes up last in the list of available apps (I guess Microsoft forgot that this is one of their products or maybe they just...)

    Anyway, I don't have $500 dollars to replace one monitor and I sure as hell am not going to dole out $2500 to replace all my monitors just for the convenience of being able to swipe a page off the screen with a finger.

    This software belongs on a tablet, and I feel we need to go back to the old Computer and CE type OS installs. This one is for computers, this one for phones and tablets. (Dam Star Trek!!!)

    If Microsoft wants to really please their users, then they don't have to recreate the norm every time they re-release a product, they just have to release a product that is stable, secure, and easy to use and that doesn't require 25 Security updates as soon it's installed.

    Anyway, thank you for listening to my rant!! I'll just go back to swearing under my breath for a bit as I try to close off the desktop and get back to the Start Screen... Oh yeah, Grab the top of the screen drag it to minimize then off the bottom of the screen... Come on!!!

    Pte Jack
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  3. #303


    Quote Originally Posted by PteJack View Post
    All I can say is please release Windows 9! as soon as possible and force us all to buy new hardware again!!

    Sorry folks, I just upgraded one of my 5 machines to 8. I am not happy. This METRO look is for common use items like a smartphone or a tablet; something that has a touch screen built into.

    PCs need to be practical and easy to use. This bouncing back and forth between Start screens and desktops is for the birds. Power users need to have the programs they need available when they want them, therefore shortcuts on the desktop make the START SCREEN redundant right off the get go.

    Now with Windows 8, if I don't have a shortcut on the desktop for something I need, what do I have to do... Oh!! instead of calling the start menu I have to go back to the START SCREEN... OH NO it's not there, Right click a corner and call ALL APPS.... THEN LOOK THROUGH THE BLOODY MESS offered there to find the product I'm looking for and I had better remember who produced the product I need...

    Heck, Microsoft themselves couldn't even get this straight. Microsoft Live, Microsoft Games, Microsoft Keyboard, Microsoft Mouse, Microsoft Office and god forbid, the WINDOWS stuff comes up last in the list of available apps (I guess Microsoft forgot that this is one of their products or maybe they just...)

    Anyway, I don't have $500 dollars to replace one monitor and I sure as hell am not going to dole out $2500 to replace all my monitors just for the convenience of being able to swipe a page off the screen with a finger.

    This software belongs on a tablet, and I feel we need to go back to the old Computer and CE type OS installs. This one is for computers, this one for phones and tablets. (Dam Star Trek!!!)

    If Microsoft wants to really please their users, then they don't have to recreate the norm every time they re-release a product, they just have to release a product that is stable, secure, and easy to use and that doesn't require 25 Security updates as soon it's installed.

    Anyway, thank you for listening to my rant!! I'll just go back to swearing under my breath for a bit as I try to close off the desktop and get back to the Start Screen... Oh yeah, Grab the top of the screen drag it to minimize then off the bottom of the screen... Come on!!!

    Pte Jack
    I agree with you at 1 point.
    The mechanism of closing a metro app is just not so great. Hard to use on touchpads. makes the risk of osteoarthritis higher.
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  4. #304


    Posts : 99
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64


    Quote Originally Posted by PteJack View Post
    PCs need to be practical and easy to use. This bouncing back and forth between Start screens and desktops is for the birds. Power users need to have the programs they need available when they want them, therefore shortcuts on the desktop make the START SCREEN redundant right off the get go.

    Shortcuts on the desktop and taskbar made the Start Menu redundant in Windows 7 then. Windows Explorer (folder icon on taskbar) made many shortcuts on the start menu redundant.

    Now with Windows 8, if I don't have a shortcut on the desktop for something I need, what do I have to do... Oh!! instead of calling the start menu I have to go back to the START SCREEN... OH NO it's not there, Right click a corner and call ALL APPS.... THEN LOOK THROUGH THE BLOODY MESS offered there to find the product I'm looking for and I had better remember who produced the product I need...
    Right-click program in All Apps, select "Pin to Start". The start screen loads up just as fast as the start menu in 7. Your pinned tiles are right there. You can then move them around to your liking.

    I'll just go back to swearing under my breath for a bit as I try to close off the desktop and get back to the Start Screen... Oh yeah, Grab the top of the screen drag it to minimize then off the bottom of the screen... Come on!!!
    And why would you need to do that? Just hit the Win key or click the start window on the bottom-left. Move your mouse to the top-left to see other open app windows. Apps on standby do not need to be closed since they consume very little resources while being open. You shouldn't need to close the desktop at all, ever. Also, right-clicking the bottom-left produces many useful utilities.
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  5. #305


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by PteJack View Post
    All I can say is please release Windows 9! as soon as possible and force us all to buy new hardware again!!

    Sorry folks, I just upgraded one of my 5 machines to 8. I am not happy. This METRO look is for common use items like a smartphone or a tablet; something that has a touch screen built into.

    PCs need to be practical and easy to use. This bouncing back and forth between Start screens and desktops is for the birds. Power users need to have the programs they need available when they want them, therefore shortcuts on the desktop make the START SCREEN redundant right off the get go.

    Now with Windows 8, if I don't have a shortcut on the desktop for something I need, what do I have to do... Oh!! instead of calling the start menu I have to go back to the START SCREEN... OH NO it's not there, Right click a corner and call ALL APPS.... THEN LOOK THROUGH THE BLOODY MESS offered there to find the product I'm looking for and I had better remember who produced the product I need...

    Heck, Microsoft themselves couldn't even get this straight. Microsoft Live, Microsoft Games, Microsoft Keyboard, Microsoft Mouse, Microsoft Office and god forbid, the WINDOWS stuff comes up last in the list of available apps (I guess Microsoft forgot that this is one of their products or maybe they just...)

    Anyway, I don't have $500 dollars to replace one monitor and I sure as hell am not going to dole out $2500 to replace all my monitors just for the convenience of being able to swipe a page off the screen with a finger.

    This software belongs on a tablet, and I feel we need to go back to the old Computer and CE type OS installs. This one is for computers, this one for phones and tablets. (Dam Star Trek!!!)

    If Microsoft wants to really please their users, then they don't have to recreate the norm every time they re-release a product, they just have to release a product that is stable, secure, and easy to use and that doesn't require 25 Security updates as soon it's installed.

    Anyway, thank you for listening to my rant!! I'll just go back to swearing under my breath for a bit as I try to close off the desktop and get back to the Start Screen... Oh yeah, Grab the top of the screen drag it to minimize then off the bottom of the screen... Come on!!!

    Pte Jack
    Actually, having Desktop icons removes the point of the start menu as well. Even then, if you did use Desktop shortcuts, you'd need to constantly be hitting the Show Desktop button on the Taskbar, and as a power user, when you have multiple windows going; it's annoying to have to restore them individually. The point of the Start Screen is to take that layer, the Desktop shortcuts, and put them on top of the open windows. So that way, you're not constantly minimizing the windows all the time.
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  6. #306


    Helena Al
    Posts : 29
    Windows 8 64bit Pro


    I hear ya Coke...!
    I did find out one thing by a process of try and try again. I was getting a lot of blue screens of death "IQRL NOT LESS OR EQUAL" "CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT" and found out if I slow down my processor and not overclock it AMD Phantom X4 955 BLACK, I stopped getting those Blue Screens so Windows 8 doesn't like you overclocking AMD CPU's. Just another one of my little thorns in the side with Windows 8
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  7. #307


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Windows 8 has no idea if you are overclocking your CPU or not. If it's failing, it's because the hardware is failing, and has nothing to do with the OS. It simply can't know if you're overclocking, and as such can't like or not like it.
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  8. #308


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    It's kind of annoying that Windows 8 doesn't see an overclock. It kind of did with the Developer Preview, you could open up Task Manager and hit the Performance tab and see the new speed. Can't do that without CPU-Z, even then it's a little tricky when you start overclocking a quad core processor as it doesn't say the total overall speed. It got a me a bit confused for a second....

    Windows 8 doesn't really mind overclocking, especially AMD processors. Recently, I helped a friend get a watercooler installed into his new gaming rig and I got the AMD OverDrive utility to test out overclocking maxes, and an AMD A10 will easily hit 5.6 to 6 GHz with ease. No sad BSOD.
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  9. #309


    W8 has no issues with over clocking other than w7 kicks it behind.
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  10. #310


    Posts : 25
    Windows 8.1.1


    Quote Originally Posted by boyans View Post
    EightForums is the biggest forum for Windows 8.
    After 2 weeks of official Windows 8 launch to general public we see a decline in visits to the forum and the most visited Windows forum is still SevenForums.
    I haven't read this entire thread yet but if visits to the forum are declining, it could be because W.8 isn't so troublesome to use after all. Maybe there are a lot of people like me who install W.8, read around a bit, learn a few new things either from personal experience or what is written in forums and then just get on and use the computer. If everything works OK, there maybe isn't the need to come back to the forum?
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