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Is Windows 8 a failure ? Time to say bye, bye MSFT ?

  1. #21


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    There aren't really any viable options for many people.

    It is not a level playing field.

    MS have been in trouble before - and been handed fines - for that very reason.

    What do you think all the Monopolies commissions do all day?


    Quote Originally Posted by geeve420 View Post
    That's just it, they are not a monopoly, there are options. You wouldn't get far in court at all.

    As far as uniforimty goes, you are right, that sucks, but you can't expect everything to stay the same. It sucks and that is all that can be said. Stay with 7 or buy a copy from elsewhere or buy a used PC from CL or Ebay. There are just as many folks that like 8 as there are that don't. If you don't like it or want unifomity between work and home start planning now, cause it isn't going to change from this point on.

    Geeve

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  2. #22


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    MS are a business.

    They will respond to what the customers tell them - if there enough of them.

    Just giving in is pathetic.
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  3. #23


    Helena Al
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    I have never seen a true RPG or player vs player gamers use a touch pad....but there might be a first.
    My point is it's not going to fly off the shelve with the way it changed the interaction with the user. I'll bet my little pinky on that..you might see more Windows tablets and maybe even phones but not P.C's flying off the shelves.
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by neighborlee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by boyans View Post
    There are different opinions on Windows 8 present and future success.

    EightForums is the biggest forum for Windows 8.
    After 2 weeks of official Windows 8 launch to general public we see a decline in visits to the forum and the most visited Windows forum is still SevenForums.
    I totally disagree. The metro UI , to me anyway, is completely sexy and incredible, and I totally favor it to the boring by comparison, windows 7 UI.

    Maybe its the artist in me that loves the whole experience, but Im so glad Microsoft made Metro , but I think it appeals to others too because its so dynamic

    I wish I had a touch screen, as that would be pure nirvana, but I just have a 24" display.

    I love how Windows 8 mirrors WP7, and now WP8, and I think its a simple matter that windows 8 is JUST NOW on the market, as is WP8.

    People don't switch to a new OS, immediately

    I'ts new, just as one day a while ago, Apples new OS was new, and many were outraged!

    I fell in love with WP7, being SO glad I could get away from those boring & outdated icons on android and apple, and I still use my WP7 and absolutely love it, always have, and I look fwd to getting a WP8 device

    I also think the new IE10 is awesome, in that it allows you to surf with entire screen, with all toolbars invisible, and a simple right click to bring up tabs, etc. I just love it. I love simplicity && function, and Microsoft nailed it! SO many new features in windows 8, and Microsoft is doing a fantastic thing, offering win8 PRO SO cheaply atm. I see zero reason for complaints, as it just takes a little digging into how things work now, and it should be clear to anyone, that they are doing a masterful job of 'uniting' tablets, phones and desktops

    cu
    lee


    This is like everything I've said for the past year...
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  5. #25


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    Yeah, seeing as Windows 8 is three weeks old and is still in a honeymoon phase, it's WAY too early to call it a failure or success.

    The dynamics around this release are far different than 7's release. Windows 7 was vista 2.0 after that warmed over pile of glassy, securer xp poo, 7 was a GOD send. Right now, Windows 7 still performs real well, which Windows 8 expands upon like hybrid boot, improved system efficiencies, ect. But that may or may not be enough to get people to upgrade. Where 7 was a needed and demanded release to fix genuine performance issues, Microsoft got away with not introducing many new features. I can think of a few off the top of my head of new features to 7 over vista; overall though the main argument was faster and efficient performance.

    Windows 8 isn't selling itself as a needed or demanded OS to fix performance issues, it's selling itself for feature sets and benefits. Like for example, the metro apps and Windows Store; that consolidates the need of a smartphone or phablet into your PC so you can use the one device you're on to browse and access the content that you would on your phablet or smartphone. The new tablet PCs do the same, where those consolidate a laptop and phablet into one nice device.

    As for the UI changes go, I still call BS on the dissent. It's just OVERRATED. There is NO physical impediment in using it over the start menu AT ALL. Make some simple changes and you have the same functionality, but improved, over the start menu. There is no cognitive burden or whatever nonsense. Remember Windows 7's new Taskbar? I remember the first few months, THAT was the actual complaint people were had. Some said it was too big and confusing and reverted it back. In retrospect, not many people have it reverted the old style (maybe because they don't know how) and actually LEARNED how to take advantage of the pinning abilities and using the jump lists as well. Do you hear of people complaining about the Taskbar anymore? Nope. NOT. AT. ALL. Same is what will happen with the Start Screen. People will complain about it, but after a couple of years that will be no more as people take it upon themselves to LEARN how to use it effectively.
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  6. #26


    India
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Yeah, seeing as Windows 8 is three weeks old and is still in a honeymoon phase, it's WAY too early to call it a failure or success.

    The dynamics around this release are far different than 7's release. Windows 7 was vista 2.0 after that warmed over pile of glassy, securer xp poo, 7 was a GOD send. Right now, Windows 7 still performs real well, which Windows 8 expands upon like hybrid boot, improved system efficiencies, ect. But that may or may not be enough to get people to upgrade. Where 7 was a needed and demanded release to fix genuine performance issues, Microsoft got away with not introducing many new features. I can think of a few off the top of my head of new features to 7 over vista; overall though the main argument was faster and efficient performance.

    Windows 8 isn't selling itself as a needed or demanded OS to fix performance issues, it's selling itself for feature sets and benefits. Like for example, the metro apps and Windows Store; that consolidates the need of a smartphone or phablet into your PC so you can use the one device you're on to browse and access the content that you would on your phablet or smartphone. The new tablet PCs do the same, where those consolidate a laptop and phablet into one nice device.

    As for the UI changes go, I still call BS on the dissent. It's just OVERRATED. There is NO physical impediment in using it over the start menu AT ALL. Make some simple changes and you have the same functionality, but improved, over the start menu. There is no cognitive burden or whatever nonsense. Remember Windows 7's new Taskbar? I remember the first few months, THAT was the actual complaint people were had. Some said it was too big and confusing and reverted it back. In retrospect, not many people have it reverted the old style (maybe because they don't know how) and actually LEARNED how to take advantage of the pinning abilities and using the jump lists as well. Do you hear of people complaining about the Taskbar anymore? Nope. NOT. AT. ALL. Same is what will happen with the Start Screen. People will complain about it, but after a couple of years that will be no more as people take it upon themselves to LEARN how to use it effectively.


    It's far, and yes I mean FAR too early to judge the success or failure of W8 on the basis of just 17 days. Microsoft knows exactly what it is doing.
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  7. #27


    Sydney
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    Groucho Marx once said that "Rock & Roll" music has no future. Look at it now
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  8. #28


    It is more than a little obvious that MS priced W8 knowing the resistance they would be up against. Even with that I still do not have a single friend or clan member who will use it, not one. Almost everyone of them was on the W7 betas as they came out. Speaks for itself I think.

    I have been on w8 for months now, and still outside of boot it just is not any faster at really anything. And I use benchmarks, not what I "feel", lol.
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  9. #29


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    MSFT isn't stupid -- there really was a lot of discussion about the role of the desktop in the new version of Windows. For some applications - especially on tablets the W8 system is perfectly OK -- you aren't installing loads of complex applications on a tablet.

    Traditional laptops are in decline (they won't go away completely) as are traditional desktops - except for dedicated users such as gamers or servers. Therefore it made sense for Ms to design something which was easy and quick to use on devices like tablets -- If you've tried the RT tablet W8 works fine. Making W8 look like Mobile phone systems also makes it comfortable for people who use smart phones - so the idea of having a common UI over all sorts of devices works very well for a lot of cases.

    Where they HAVE IMO screwed it up is in not making the desktop configurable for people who don't want or need touch screens and still work with a keyboard and mouse.

    Most people that I know who have looked at W8 actually quite like it. Most of these however aren't what you call "Power users". A bit of surfing, email, some photography, dvd viewing, possibly a little EXCEL and WORD. For this type of user -- W8 is fine.

    Some of the people on these Forums who say most people THEY PERSONALLY KNOW really do HATE W8 must have a strange set of friends as my experience is quite the reverse. Most of W8's detractors are what one would call "Power users" and here I would agree -- W8 has serious limitations for these type of users.

    Where the whole Metro idea is also a disaster is when you want to use a really large external monitor where you don't want everything to run in full screen mode.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #30


    I didn't like windows 8 when I dual booted the prerelease but I upgraded to it on thursday with nothing saved and starting to get used to everything I don't think it's a fail but there should have been an option to keep the classic start menu
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