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Is Windows 8 a failure ? Time to say bye, bye MSFT ?

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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    You don't have to use The Cloud, The Store or even Metro to use W8. It has flaws but these aren't the problems with it.

    W8 is really a CONSUMER product, -- unless you are using a tablet at work W8 isn't really a Workplace OS.

    BUT: MS isn't so heavily reliant on Windows any more as its main revenue earner. It's getting HUGELY into servers and corporate services as well as making loads of money from OFFICE --there isn't any really serious competitor out there for corporate use to OFFICE, especially with integrated LYNC servers and decent GROUPWARE all integrated into OFFICE.

    XBOX is still a major gaming platform - even though initially it was PANNED.

    MS will make shedloads of money from W8 phones and tablets using W8 and remember companies pay MS license fees and it doesn't matter WHICH version of the OS they are running.

    Don't unload your MSFT stock just yet. --The Fruit company ( code AAPL) are probably a worse risk.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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    It's interesting though that for the first time ever to my knowledge M$ have offered an OEM version of a Windows OS with an EULA for private use, that allows the first installer to transfer the licence to a different computer in the event of the mobo dieing or simply because the licensee wants it on a different PC set-up. That's a massive change. And so is $39 for an upgrade to a brand new radically altered OS.

    Also MS Office 2010 Home and Student version was selling in Perth, West Aust, (by the company Office Works), for $110 with three liceneces included in the price. I may be off track on this one, but I've never heard of multiple licences being included in the base price of an office product before. That also seems to be a big change. In fact it resembles a throw back to MS Office 98 Student version, where no activation was required.

    Open Office got a 5 star rating from cNet editor and my experience with it is that it can do all the necessary tasks required by a business. Maybe not as pretty as MS Office but still gets the job done ... and free price is hard to beat.

    Whether W8 on smartfones and tablets will be a big success is still problematical.

    Having said that, I don't think M$ will be in danger of going belly up, and I hope they don't. I just hope they will start paying more attention to consumer preferences instead of insisting on the "we know what's best for you" attitude.

    At one point I had a minor war with M$ Aust over not being able to edit/delete certain OS files. They claimed that it was their responsiblity to protect users from themselves, and harming the OS, by making certain files inaccessible. I countered by saying they were only responsible for making a good product, and issuing warning baloons of the dangers involved when users tried to change critical OS files. However, they were not the "computer policeman" responsible for how end consumers used the actual software. If someone takes risks and makes their system SNAFU, that's their problem.
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    What is the alternative for windows on the PC market?
    Will it be linux with a manufacturers shell as some already install besides windows (Netbook from Medion)
    Will Android evolve to a full PC OS?
    What will happen to all games, programmers and software that are based on windows?
    I think MS will bring out windows 8 with a PC versioon which will be compatible with the Metro versions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by easyq View Post
    What is the alternative for windows on the PC market?
    Will it be linux with a manufacturers shell as some already install besides windows (Netbook from Medion)
    Will Android evolve to a full PC OS?
    What will happen to all games, programmers and software that are based on windows?
    I think MS will bring out windows 8 with a PC version which will be compatible with the Metro versions.
    Yep, that's always been the problem, having no true competitor to M$. To my way of thinking there really isn't any other truly viable OS available for desktop enthusiasts/DIY people.

    Google/Android is the most probable OS to offer an alternative to Windows as a desktop set up. They have the finances to do it. And there would never be a better time than now.
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    There was once a good quote I read about android...

    "Android is the Windows Xp of mobility."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    There was once a good quote I read about android...

    "Android is the Windows Xp of mobility."
    Hi Cokey. That statement could be taken as a positive or negative, depending on your view of XP.

    I personally thought XP was a quantum leap forward compared to W98 2Ed. Vista was a whole new architecture and was intially nobbled by poor driver support/inadequate RAM suggested. And never really lived down this early unfair reputation. Like W8 it took some getting used to, but had many advantages over XP, with one just being a more versatile disk manager.

    In side by side trials between XP, Vista and W7, (with results tabulated in PC Australia magazine), Vista was ahead of XP in some areas and XP ahead of Vista in others. But W7 plugged all the holes in both systems, and was the hands down winner in all areas.

    But despite this, many moons later, XP is still going strong in many households and businesses.

    And of course, then there is 8! Hmmmmmm?

    As a general principle competition is always good for the consumer, and keeps the already good companies on their metal. I couldn't see a viable competitor to Microsoft in the desktop arena doing anything but good. The competition is already wide open in the mobile devices market.
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by easyq View Post
    What is the alternative for windows on the PC market?
    Will it be linux with a manufacturers shell as some already install besides windows (Netbook from Medion)
    Will Android evolve to a full PC OS?
    What will happen to all games, programmers and software that are based on windows?
    I think MS will bring out windows 8 with a PC versioon which will be compatible with the Metro versions.

    Hi there
    you can try out Android on a PC NOW if you wish --quite easy to set up as a Virtual machine with Mouse support -- some apps from google store will also download but haven't tried running any yet.

    Install And Run Android 4.0 On Mac, Windows PC Or Linux Using VirtualBox Virtual Machine [How-To Tutorial] | Redmond Pie

    Have fun

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    [QUOTE=jimbo45;150358][QUOTE=easyq;150282]What is the alternative for windows on the PC market?
    Hi there, you can try out Android on a PC NOW if you wish --quite easy to set up as a Virtual machine with Mouse support -- some apps from google store will also download but haven't tried running any yet.

    Install And Run Android 4.0 On Mac, Windows PC Or Linux Using VirtualBox Virtual Machine [How-To Tutorial] | Redmond Pie

    Have fun

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Hey Jimbo that's interesting. I'm using Android on a Sony Ericsson Experia mobile phone, so that should give a head start.

    Is it similarly possible to run an Apple program on Win7 ... just for fun.
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    [QUOTE=Mustang;150417][QUOTE=jimbo45;150358]
    Quote Originally Posted by easyq View Post
    What is the alternative for windows on the PC market?Hey Jimbo that's interesting. I'm using Android on a Sony Ericsson Experia mobile phone, so that should give a head start.

    Is it similarly possible to run an Apple program on Win7 ... just for fun.
    Hi there
    Apple is a bit of a challenge since the legality of running Apple software on non Apple kit seems to be a bit of a legal quagmire.

    some people have attempted this on the "Hackintosh site"

    You'll have to purchase a legal OSX system from the apple store which probably means you'll have to get it originally via an Apple computer.

    Hackintosh Instructions, Hackintosh How To Guides @ Hackintosh.com

    Check out the LEGAL questions carefully. With MS so long as you have a Windows license they don't care if you run the wretched OS on a mechanical "Xmas Cake" if you can make it work.

    "The Fruit Company" has different rules.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    There was once a good quote I read about android...

    "Android is the Windows Xp of mobility."
    Hi Cokey. That statement could be taken as a positive or negative, depending on your view of XP.

    I personally thought XP was a quantum leap forward compared to W98 2Ed. Vista was a whole new architecture and was intially nobbled by poor driver support/inadequate RAM suggested. And never really lived down this early unfair reputation. Like W8 it took some getting used to, but had many advantages over XP, with one just being a more versatile disk manager.

    In side by side trials between XP, Vista and W7, (with results tabulated in PC Australia magazine), Vista was ahead of XP in some areas and XP ahead of Vista in others. But W7 plugged all the holes in both systems, and was the hands down winner in all areas.

    But despite this, many moons later, XP is still going strong in many households and businesses.

    And of course, then there is 8! Hmmmmmm?

    As a general principle competition is always good for the consumer, and keeps the already good companies on their metal. I couldn't see a viable competitor to Microsoft in the desktop arena doing anything but good. The competition is already wide open in the mobile devices market.
    It's both good and bad. Good for android that it's prevalent and in use, iffy for developers as fragmentation is phenomenal, crappy for end users on the 52 percent side of android 2.xx.x.x.x.x.x.xxxxxxxxx.xxx.
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