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Is Windows 8 a failure ? Time to say bye, bye MSFT ?

  1. #271

    I want my money back


    I want my money back
    no start screen, i have to gently go to corner of screen to control computer,the power fans now keep me up all night. i do not have option to not enter password, you must use a password, i have 2 monitors and everytime computer goes to sleep both monitors become 1, not two diferent displays. so i have to restart for it to detect 2nd monitor . i will never buy another microsft product.

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  2. #272


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    There are a number of ways to bring up the start page. The corner is only one. You can use the traditional ctrl-esc method (has worked for as long as I can remember), press the windows key, or you can bring up the charms bar (one of the right corners, or WinKey+C and then the start button.

    Your monitor issue is more than likely a problem with the driver. If you have not installed the manufacturers driver, you should download the version for Windows 8 and install it. If you have installed the manufacturers driver, then you should make sure it's the Windows 8 version.

    There are also a number of ways of dealing with the password issue. I'm sure Brink will post any of the several tutorials on the subject soon. As for the fans, that tells me you may not have the power management configured correctly. I'm a little confused about how you can simultaneously complain about sleep mode and then claim that the fans keep you up all night (which wouldn't happen if it was asleep). Does that not seem odd to you?
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  3. #273


    UK
    Posts : 177
    Win 8


    Ok I have been using Win8 for a few weeks now. Upgrade was faultless but updating drivers caused some problems that are mostly resolved. Certainly an easier upgrade than any earlier version of Windows.

    Win8 is fast and stable, but so was Win7, only real difference is speed of boot up. As a productive OS using Office and Creative Suite it is fine as long as you don't have to go out of the desktop. all my main programmes have shortcuts on the task bar or the desktop so I can avoid having to leave my work area to go into the full screen start menu.

    If this is going to be any sort of a success they need SP1 very soon to give a proper working environment and dump the kiddies toy Metro interface. Windows needs resizable windows not a full screen dumbed down idiots version of an OS and they need to make the windows attractive again this looks like Windows1 not a 21st century interface. Its a good OS with a terrible interface.

    On UK tv there have been two adverts running back to back recently, one for the MacBook and the next for Windows8 and it really shows up how bad it is. The Mac looks professional, visually appealing and windows looks like an interface for the terminally stupid. ugly, clunky, and pointless.

    Nobody wants a MS mobile OS because there are already better alternatives out there. Why buy a Surface when you can have an iPad? If it was cheap maybe it would sell but why buy a Dacia Duster for a Range Rover price? So having produced an interface for an OS that nobody wants why inflict the interface on desk top/ notebook users that need productivity not a child's toy?

    Touch screens are great on tablets, tablets are great for trivial stuff and browsing, not composing long documents, creating graphics, working with photographs or images, or writing code. For that I want real computer with a keyboard not a vertical screen covered in fingerprints that I have to stretch over my keyboard to reach. Dead end. I wouldn't be without my iPad, but for serious work I want my desktop, three screens a keyboard and a mouse.

    This could be the end of MS no corporate will buy this and if they don't use Windows on their workstations they don't need MS server, exchange, sharepoint and the rest of MS technology.
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  4. #274


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by steveb View Post
    On UK tv there have been two adverts running back to back recently, one for the MacBook and the next for Windows8 and it really shows up how bad it is. The Mac looks professional, visually appealing and windows looks like an interface for the terminally stupid. ugly, clunky, and pointless.

    Nobody wants a MS mobile OS because there are already better alternatives out there. Why buy a Surface when you can have an iPad? If it was cheap maybe it would sell but why buy a Dacia Duster for a Range Rover price? So having produced an interface for an OS that nobody wants why inflict the interface on desk top/ notebook users that need productivity not a child's toy?
    Wait, you're comparing MacOS window chrome to Windows 8 and claiming That OSX is better? They look almost exactly the same! other than the colored orbs, the style is very similar. How exactly are you claiming that OSX is so much better?

    And as for why someone would want a surface over an iPad? One word: Office. You can't run Office on an iPad. And it comes at no additional cost, iWork costs more money and is not the same as desktop office.

    What's more, when Surface Pro comes out, it will join a Windows Domain, has full group policy object support, and can be maintained just as easily as the desktops. This is VERY important for business.
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  5. #275


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Continuing the marketing theme, when it comes to buyer choice many consumers approach it emotionally. Marketing personnel rely on it. And when people are acting emotionally there is no point applying logic, because emotions are not logical. In the extreme case you can't use reason on a deranged person.

    In developed countries we live in an "instant" society. If it doesnt' work easily straight out of the box, people can't/won't be bothered taking the troulbe to learn a new system when they've already got one that works well.

    That will work in favor of W8 in mobile/touch devices, but against it in traditional desktop. There's a saying in the motor vehicle selling game: When dealing with a client, if they walk out the door without a contract signed, you've lost the sale. Once the horse has bolted, no point shutting the gate.

    The tip of the ice berg is beginning to melt and the cracks are appearing. Question is, are there enough fingers to plug the holes in the dyke before the whole facade comes crashing down?
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  6. #276


    UK
    Posts : 177
    Win 8


    I'm sorry but I don't see office as the killer app for a tablet. What tablets are great for is accessing and reading information, emails, social media and browsing. They are not great for preparing large documents with tables charts graphics, multiple page spreadsheets with linked formulas etc. The things that office is great for are done on real computers. I use my iPad all of the time in board meetings to access documents, reports and financial spreadsheets from my SkyDrive rather than having printed material but I would never try to prepare all that stuff on a 10 inch touch screen, even if it does have Office and a rubber keyboard. I do that on my Winfows desktop or laptop.

    Surface is the new Zune. Microsoft have gone up a cul de sac with a mobile OS that will have a tiny market, trouble is they have dragged their desktop OS with it. The rest of the world will end up passing by on the main road unless they do a quick U turn. Google are out there ready to take over the corporate market and MS have given them a huge boost.

    Windows 8 could be a great OS if MS produce a coherent desktop UI to work with the excellent kernel that underlies the pointless full screen and currently non optional metro UI.

    I really want to like Windows 8 at the moment I am just putting up with it.
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  7. #277


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    I love Win 8.

    But no, sorry.

    The cloud crap, and the distribution/activation hassles simply aren't worth it.

    I'll be going back to 7 as soon as this RTM trial expires.

    Love the OS, but refuse point-blank to go where its trying to send me.

    Sorry, Microsoft, but I own this computer, not you.

    And I don't always have the internet.
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  8. #278


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    At the point of sale a lot of potential first impression buyers will be lost when they try out and don't get past demo models on display in shops.

    It's impractical to have two versions of W8 for desktop and mobile/touch devices. Retailers and OEMs would have to double order stocks and try to second guess how much demand there would be each one.

    The obvious answer is to have a simple option built in to enable the user to choose between using a traditional desktop GUI/start menu or Metro.

    Ex7ForW8 hack does all of this, and restores Aero as well. However, a lot of potential buyers will not get past their initial impression and go to the trouble of joining a forum to find answers! They simply won't buy it.

    The real answer is for M$ to provide such an option and for retailers/OEMs to make the buying public at large aware that this option exists.

    That way retailers could simultaneously display W8 running side by side in desktop mode and Metro mode, and have the best of both worlds. A good marketing campaign would be to sell the versatility of it's ability to act equally well as mobile/touch device or traditional desktop OS.
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  9. #279


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    I wanted to try the Pro RTM.

    So I acquired a 'legal' copy, installed and activated it. Successfully.

    Until I installed the available updates. It needed to be re-activated, then
    became schizophrenic, and didn't know whether it was activated or not.

    I'm questioning whether $60 is worth the hassle of this crap activation
    if the retail version has similar issues.

    Cokie reckons it's probably a glitch, and I agree.

    But I'm not bl00dy happy, Jan!
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  10. #280


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    I wanted to try the Pro RTM.

    So I acquired a 'legal' copy, installed and activated it. Successfully.

    Until I installed the available updates. It needed to be re-activated, then
    became schizophrenic, and didn't know whether it was activated or not.

    I'm questioning whether $60 is worth the hassle of this crap activation
    if the retail version has similar issues.

    Cokie reckons it's probably a glitch, and I agree.

    But I'm not bl00dy happy, Jan!
    Hi Kat,

    Sorry to hear of your troubles mate. As you may have read I paid $149 to PLE Computers for a retail installation disk of W8 Pro OEM.

    I'm running it on an i5-2400 Intel CPU with Corsair SATA3 SSD HD and 8GB RAM. I've installed Ex7ForW8 which imports Explorer 7 from W7 installation disc, and restores aero. And also downloaded/installed the MS suite of Games from W7. Plus all available updates. And no problems with OS or activation.

    Apart from Zone Alarm being incompatible and a glitch with Excel files created in Office 2010, I've had no problems.

    I haven't swung over to using it as my flagtship yet, but plan to after there's been time for teething problems to be sorted.

    I never see/use Metro, and log in using a local account so no cloud garbage or MS apps from store. Do use WinLiveMail on desktop and works no worries.

    Cheers M
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