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Is Windows 8 a failure ? Time to say bye, bye MSFT ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    LOL! Yes, irony! When looking at a world map, Minnesota and Australia are almost on the opposite sides of the planet. Your in the southern hemisphere and we're in the northern. Probably couldn't be farther apart! I'm glad the BigPond keeps us linked, though.
    Actually, I'm a lot closer than that right now. I'm currently in Portugal, so i'm probably 2/3 closer than I was

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    Ok. Good. Afghanistan is about half way there. Perhaps you two could meet and settle your differences there?
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  3. #263


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Ok. Good. Afghanistan is about half way there. Perhaps you two could meet and settle your differences there?
    I can just see it now. CNN reports major fire fight in Afghanistan, hundreds killed, acres and acres of land (sand?) scorched - all over a fight about Windows 8!

    -Max
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Ok. Good. Afghanistan is about half way there. Perhaps you two could meet and settle your differences there?
    I can just see it now. CNN reports major fire fight in Afghanistan, hundreds killed, acres and acres of land (sand?) scorched - all over a fight about Windows 8!

    -Max
    Hey Max, you really cracked me up with that one.

    As Schwarzzy said to the Predator: "Any where! Any time!" LOL!

    Might be an unfair fire fight though. Both my son in laws are ex SAS, (Special Air Services), paratroopers, and both army trained electronic engineer graduates. They might be able to organize ordnance and logistics and give me a bit of an edge! Desert environment sounds good. After all, the Aussie diggers, (Rats of Tobruk), stopped Rommell dead in the desert in WWII.

    But then I wouldn't be fighting a crazed, arrogant, egotisticial, self-righteous, know-it-all, dictatorial tyrant ... did I miss anything? .... like Hitler ... or would I? Oooooppss! That's a cheap shot! Or maybe we'll get lucky and someone will Mysteriously emigrate to Spain permanently!

    Last edited by Mustang; 26 Nov 2012 at 12:34.
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    LOL! It took me 5 minutes to calm down and clear the tears from my eyes from laughing so hard just to post this ->
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    When looking at a world map, Minnesota and Australia are almost on the opposite sides of the planet. Your in the southern hemisphere and we're in the northern. Probably couldn't be farther apart!
    Actually drilling from Minnesota to the other side through Earth's core would take you to the middle of the Indian Ocean thousands of miles away from Australia or any land.

    Check this interesting site Antipodes Map - Antipodal location for any map point

    We are here exacty opposite side of New Zealand.
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  7. #267


    Quote Originally Posted by kmint View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    When looking at a world map, Minnesota and Australia are almost on the opposite sides of the planet. Your in the southern hemisphere and we're in the northern. Probably couldn't be farther apart!
    Actually drilling from Minnesota to the other side through Earth's core would take you to the middle of the Indian Ocean thousands of miles away from Australia or any land.

    Check this interesting site Antipodes Map - Antipodal location for any map point

    We are here exacty opposite side of New Zealand.
    Thanks for the lead, kmint. I never new such a map existed.

    For all practical purposes and with guessing, I was pretty darn close wouldn't you say? Cosidering the size of the globe? And Mustang lives in western Australia. I'm assuming Mystere lives in Twin Cities because everyone else in that state doesn't own a computer. They fish.

    Does this also take in consideration that the diameter of the earth is roughly 13 miles more in diameter at the equator than at the poles do to centrifugal force of spin?

    Do not doubt the powerful and almighty OZ!.......And don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain!
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    kmint, that is very cool. From here, I end up off the west coast of Australia (way off)!
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    Australia
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Ironically the largest ISP in Aussie is provided by the Telstra phone compnay and is called "BigPond" would you believe! LOL!
    LOL! Yes, irony! When looking at a world map, Minnesota and Australia are almost on the opposite sides of the planet. Your in the southern hemisphere and we're in the northern. Probably couldn't be farther apart! I'm glad the BigPond keeps us linked, though.

    I really did enjoy the debate, for I learned a lot. I laughed, I frowned, and I pondered! I think the two of you have brilliant minds and obviously are both very experienced and savvy. Surely more so than me, for I'm just a small business owner and computer novice. I think both of you (and other professional members I read) have valid points, so, from an enterprise point of view, I won't and can't take sides, not to say I don't have an opinion. Personally as it stands now, if I owned a business with multiple work stations and an IT department, I wouldn't touch 8 for now, but isn't that the norm? That's not to say that some industries will adopt it. I read that the medical field will gobble it up, just to name one.

    My opinion and viewpoint on 8 is more from a market point of view -> Why do people buy products even though one may be inferior to another or what makes them think one is better than the other? Of course it boils down to personal choice, but what gets them to that point of purchasing? Advertising? Hype? Economics? Ergonomics? Culture? Group pressure? The fact that it's new? Personal interests? All of these? Some of these? All in all, it gets kind of complicated, doesn't it?!

    I've seen a lot of changes in my life, but one thing for certain that hasn't changed is business. Business is simply taking money from one's pocket and placing it into another's via a legitimate product or service. Not that complicated at all. How to get one to buy a product is complicated and is continually being honed as a fine science. Let's not forget that the markets continually change as well.

    I've read everything from you two debating which is the most efficient model, to a new member with his first and I believe what seems to be his last post (LOL!) stating in the "goodbye" thread:
    I am also saying good bye to windows8 in fact I am now saying good bye to micro sh*t as I have just thrown over 1 grand of their rubbish into the bin and gone over to the Mac after many hours of problems. As soon as the Mac is up and running the laptop is having it's op changed to freeware.
    to conspiracy theorists stating "leading the sheep astray to dig deeper into their pockets", to "Oh, it's OK, but I'd rather....." to "I love this thing", to "I'm going to make this thing look and act like 7", to all sorts of opinions.

    It will certainly be most interesting to see how it all unfolds for MS for sure!
    That's a very thoughful and insightful analysis HG. I've done a lot of different work activities in my life-time ... from simple basics to entrepreneurial; and quite a lot of it devoted to marketing in the scientific and engineering fields. There are so many variables involved in successful marketing that a fully functional crystal ball is a great help. Who can fathom the whims and fancies of human nature, let alone each individual's logical approach to the purchase of a product?

    However, certain fundamentals never change, like good procuct, fillling a need, competitive price, the ability to convey the efficacy of your product to the consumer, reliable after sales follow up, etc, etc. Advertising is really only to get the consumer's atention. After that it's up to sales personnel to obtain their trust and show how your product meets their need. Then there's the after sales follow up to maintain that trust for repeat business.

    And in between all of that a lot of snake oil and smoke and mirrors! lol!

    It's interesting to note how a very large soap manufacturer some years ago held top marketing spot. They felt their position was so strong they no longer needed to advertise. Their fall from grace was meteoric.

    Over the years M$ have usually come through, even though at times on the rebound from a total fizzer. And they have set the bench mark in terms of third party software/hardware being compatible to Windows. You know if you buy Windows most 3rd party stuff will work on it.

    It's understandable for them to try and get their share of the exponentially expanding smartfone/tablet/portable devices market. However, I don't believe it is wise to do so at the expense of failing to cater adequately to the traditional desk top market, which has been their bread and butter sales for many years.

    As you say, it will be interesting to see how this one plays out. If they move away from the DIY enthusiast market and become simply another Apple, then they truly will be in equal competition on an open, level playing field; and not enjoy the monopoly they've had for so long. Time will tell.

    Cheers M
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    I am not aware of a conspiracy.

    It is more a corporation in a position of monopoly power - commonly referred to as a monopoly nowadays ( the direct translation from the greek is usually called a pure monopoly - and is used to describe e.g. nationalised industries and other state organs such as those found in the old Soviet Union and China ).

    Marketing is a profession. Some of us have spent years obtaining qualifications and working in the field.

    Things that are obvious to a marketing pro worth their salt, will often not be obvious to anyone else.

    Much marketing these days is subltle and complex. In many cases the consumer is not supposed to know they are being manipulated.
    It would less effective if they did know.

    There is nothing odd about that.

    People probably don't know much about surgical techniques, possible complications, etc - not unless they have spent the years studying and practising surgery.

    That doesn't mean people are all stupid. They can't know unless they are a pro in the field.
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