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Is Windows 8 a failure ? Time to say bye, bye MSFT ?

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    LOL, Max! And luckily there's a big pond between them!

    I have to admit that I really enjoyed it, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Phew ... you guys really fought this one out. Why not just chill ... one of you likes the thing and the other doesn't.

    There ... now wasn't that easy?

    -Max ;-)
    Naw! Sorry Max, it's not about personal preferences, it's about seeking the objective truth of which system is mechanically more efficient.

    If some people find it easier to use Metro style tiles I say go for it, and enjoy. But that still doesn't prove it is a more efficient system in accessing and manipulating data. The latter goal is more a matter of simple principles of physics.

    Hell if I was anymore chilled I'd be an iceberg!

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie
    LOL, Max! And luckily there's a big pond between them!

    I have to admit that I really enjoyed it, though.
    Hi HG. Glad you enjoyed the show. Made me laff with "Bigpond between us!" Not sure exactly which part of the States Minnesota's located in, and whether the pond is the Paciific or Atlantic ... but what the hell! At least something positive came out of it if it got a laff.

    Ironically the largest ISP in Aussie is provided by the Telstra phone compnay and is called "BigPond" would you believe! LOL!
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  3. #253


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    Its hard to judge a system based on just one computer, theres so many different hardware setups that make up computers that its not uncommon that one one computer will like win 7 more and run better and another won't. Same is for win 8, take my computer for instance. It was made for win 7 but it runs better with win 8 on it. Don't ask me why, maybe its because Amd put together a better display driver then win 7 had. But all I know is gaming works alot better then 7. Win 7 always had problems for me when it came to this certain game I play alot. It would stutter or slowdown no matter what graphics driver I tried. But when I switched to Windows 8 I had no more trouble. You can't make general statements because what works for you may not work for others. If it was my choice, and win 7 worked great for me, then I'd stay on it until someone came out with an aero glass patch for win 8. But I can't so at least I can enjoy other features until then.

    Many patches have already been made including, the win 7 explorer with start button (don't use it personally), the win 7 gadgets can be added ( I like using the clock and calendar plus cpu and ram meter), and the microsoft games from windows 7 ( I always loved playing chess titans and spider solitar). So in a way people can have the both of best worlds if they choose, it all about personal taste. I mean in the end why not enjoy doing what you love to do, in a way that you want without someone like MS saying," No, its not there anymore so just deal with it and stop enjoying what you used to, we will say what you can and can not enjoy. Period.' Well all I have to say is, go on and think that all you want because I will find a way to use what I want when I want and no one is going to say I can't. Same goes for how I want my Windows to look, if I want aero glass then I'm going to make it happen sooner or later, people are already working on it and its just a matter of time. We choose, not M$.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shane88 View Post
    Its hard to judge a system based on just one computer, theres so many different hardware setups that make up computers that its not uncommon that one one computer will like win 7 more and run better and another won't.
    That's a fair point. But my post was not about the OS per se, or personal likes/dislikes, but the Metro/Tile versus Orb/Aplha numeric cascaded Start Menu in terms of efficiency of use.

    Now I've got W8 set up on desktop using Ex7ForW8 which imports explorer 7 and Orb Start Menu, and shuts off Metro unless needed, I'm very happy with the snappier speed of the improved kernel in the OS, and faster boot/shut down due to stripping out the OS, which had to happen if it were to work properly on tablets/touchfones, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by shane88 View Post
    I like using ... the microsoft games from windows 7 ( I always loved playing chess titans and spider solitar).
    Not sure if you're aware but the full suite of M$ games can be downloaded HERE free ... Spider Solitaire, Chess, Free Cell, (My favorite because it doesn't rely on computerized random choices, which if you examine them under the laws of probability are a joke! But rather it relies purely 100% on user skill).

    Hope this helps?
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    I just found this forum, and I must say that I am surprised at the amount of data and information that is being stored on here. However, I personally believe that Windows8 is a pretty legit operating system. The load time has defiantly increased, and that alone makes it likable for myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Now I've got W8 set up on desktop using Ex7ForW8 which imports explorer 7 and Orb Start Menu, and shuts off Metro unless needed, I'm very happy with the snappier speed of the improved kernel in the OS, and faster boot/shut down due to stripping out the OS, which had to happen if it were to work properly on tablets/touchfones, etc.

    Not sure if you're aware but the full suite of M$ games can be downloaded HERE free ... Spider Solitaire, Chess, Free Cell, (My favorite because it doesn't rely on computerized random choices, which if you examine them under the laws of probability are a joke! But rather it relies purely 100% on user skill).

    Hope this helps?

    Oh I see, Sorry for my confusion. I just thought I'd voice my opinion about the whole picture of different versions of Windows and different computer setups which are vast. But I too use ex7 for w8 from time to time when I just want to play games and not have metro turned on. Its nice to have that choice. And thank you for the link to those games, alot of them are all time favorites among people and I don't understand why MS took them away and replaced them with unappealing metro apps that look worse and have less graphics detail put into them from the windows store, and most you have to pay for. Anyway just another thing I won't put up with from MS, Thanks again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane88
    Oh I see, Sorry for my confusion. I just thought I'd voice my opinion about the whole picture of different versions of Windows and different computer setups which are vast.
    No you're not out of line at all Shane. I was just focusing on one particular aspect of the OS of W8.

    Re the games, you're most welcome. Glad it helped.

    Yeah totally hear you re the strip down, which really started in Win7. Part of it was understandable because the removal from W7 of Windows Mail, (as per Vista), was due to a legal dispute between M$ and the European Community. However, other things also disppeared like Movie Editor, which could be simply imported from Vista as could several other apps.

    The strip down has now gone to a new level, with M$ heading for the clouds and apps store, which matches Android and other smartfone apps.

    I really feel it would have profitted both M$ and the consumers more if they had two optional OSs ... one for desktop and the other for mobile devices.
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    Two version would have been the best idea, I don't mind metro and think it looks nice, but sometimes I just turn it off to save resources and stay within the desktop to play games. All in all I don't mind windows 8, as long as patches come out to put back things I liked, like aero glass, games, and start button menu. I do see improvements over win 7 on my laptop. So I think its pretty cool.
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    Just check how many tomes classic shell is downloaded. Ms should have built in such a thingy from the start and the majority of people would not complain about metro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Phew ... you guys really fought this one out. Why not just chill ... one of you likes the thing and the other doesn't.

    There ... now wasn't that easy?

    -Max ;-)
    Naw! Sorry Max, it's not about personal preferences, it's about seeking the objective truth of which system is mechanically more efficient.

    If some people find it easier to use Metro style tiles I say go for it, and enjoy. But that still doesn't prove it is a more efficient system in accessing and manipulating data. The latter goal is more a matter of simple principles of physics.

    Hell if I was anymore chilled I'd be an iceberg!

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie
    LOL, Max! And luckily there's a big pond between them!

    I have to admit that I really enjoyed it, though.
    Hi HG. Glad you enjoyed the show. Made me laff with "Bigpond between us!" Not sure exactly which part of the States Minnesota's located in, and whether the pond is the Paciific or Atlantic ... but what the hell! At least something positive came out of it if it got a laff.

    Ironically the largest ISP in Aussie is provided by the Telstra phone compnay and is called "BigPond" would you believe! LOL!
    LOL! Yes, irony! When looking at a world map, Minnesota and Australia are almost on the opposite sides of the planet. Your in the southern hemisphere and we're in the northern. Probably couldn't be farther apart! I'm glad the BigPond keeps us linked, though.

    I really did enjoy the debate, for I learned a lot. I laughed, I frowned, and I pondered! I think the two of you have brilliant minds and obviously are both very experienced and savvy. Surely more so than me, for I'm just a small business owner and computer novice. I think both of you (and other professional members I read) have valid points, so, from an enterprise point of view, I won't and can't take sides, not to say I don't have an opinion. Personally as it stands now, if I owned a business with multiple work stations and an IT department, I wouldn't touch 8 for now, but isn't that the norm? That's not to say that some industries will adopt it. I read that the medical field will gobble it up, just to name one.

    My opinion and viewpoint on 8 is more from a market point of view -> Why do people buy products even though one may be inferior to another or what makes them think one is better than the other? Of course it boils down to personal choice, but what gets them to that point of purchasing? Advertising? Hype? Economics? Ergonomics? Culture? Group pressure? The fact that it's new? Personal interests? All of these? Some of these? All in all, it gets kind of complicated, doesn't it?!

    I've seen a lot of changes in my life, but one thing for certain that hasn't changed is business. Business is simply taking money from one's pocket and placing it into another's via a legitimate product or service. Not that complicated at all. How to get one to buy a product is complicated and is continually being honed as a fine science. Let's not forget that the markets continually change as well.

    I've read everything from you two debating which is the most efficient model, to a new member with his first and I believe what seems to be his last post (LOL!) stating in the "goodbye" thread:
    I am also saying good bye to windows8 in fact I am now saying good bye to micro sh*t as I have just thrown over 1 grand of their rubbish into the bin and gone over to the Mac after many hours of problems. As soon as the Mac is up and running the laptop is having it's op changed to freeware.
    to conspiracy theorists stating "leading the sheep astray to dig deeper into their pockets", to "Oh, it's OK, but I'd rather....." to "I love this thing", to "I'm going to make this thing look and act like 7", to all sorts of opinions.

    It will certainly be most interesting to see how it all unfolds for MS for sure!
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