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Is Windows 8 a failure ? Time to say bye, bye MSFT ?

  1. #241


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    You really should get your facts straight, and not make assumptions, before you open your mouth.

    I did not run it as a VM or dual boot. I ran it as a clean installation on a totally separate eSATA 1TB spiinner HD plugged into an external caddy to avoid conflicting boot problems. At time of installation Win7 HD was unplugged to avoid creating a dual boot.
    Dude. Dual Boot refers to the process of running more than one OS on the same computer, regardless of the method used to achieve that. It is not specific to having more than one os on the same disk. Just because you're using a seperate removable drive does *NOT* mean you are not dual booting. You are.

    Total nonsense! Dual boot means there is a boot menu option at boot up, and there isn't one ... and they're not linked. And besides that, it's an irrelevant point. I only removed linked dual boot because it borked my system. Otherwise I would have left it, and not had any problem using it for pusposes of testing.

    The point, which you seem to have conveniently missed, is that if you do not commit to it.. running it as your primary OS, not "simulating" it, you simply don't have the incentive to get to know it. Everytime you encounter some issue or problem, you'll just want to run back to your "real" primary OS.

    More nonsense! I notice you conveniently ignored and probably didn't even read the links in my previous post showing my setup and challenging anyone to show me how Metro would do the job more efficiently. Nor my questions to RobR asking for help in regard to knowing how to do the job without the Orb Start Menu. My reason being that I'm open minded and if there is a better way I want to know about it. Didn't you read my post and how I constantly experiment with things in search of a better way? Or do you only read selectively?


    If you give yourself an "out", you will always want to run back to the familair.

    Unbelievable! So you're inside my mind now and know how I think! That is simply ignorance or arrogance ... or more likely both! I could equally say to you that you refuse to do a point by point comparison between Win7 and 8, based on objective testing out of fear of being shown to be wrong; and by default fly back to the defence of W8 with generalities and inuendos ... not facts!

    I even invited you in a recent PM to see if we could try to find some form of discussion with a neutral, even playing field, and no personality attacks, so we would not be at loggerheads, and so there'd be no animosity or ill feeling. And suggested a form of approach that would not cause polarization and put people off W8. But you did not reply, which implies you are not inerested in genuine, open-minded discussion; but only in pushing your own point of view.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    In short, I fastidiously duplicated all the work I did on my flagship on W8 in native state.
    But you did not make it your primary OS. You just "simulated" it. You kept going back to Windows 7 to do your real work.

    Exactly! Because after trying all options for almost a year, in which I tried every which way to do exactly the same everyday work, literally job for job, it did not do the job as efficiently as my current set-up. I DID EACH AND EVERY DAILY JOB BOTH WAYS TO FIND A BETTER WAY! What does it take to get that through to you?
    In a previous discussion you could not understand the differcnce between a "light globe" and a "light bulb". And criticized me for using what you called an obscure alternate word. It's actually very common in Australia, and used in American crosswords.

    Putting that aside, try this for size from the Collins English Dictionary.

    Psychiatric definition of Delusion: A belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason!

    With all due respect, and that isn't much, this aptly describes your attitude and inability to see any logical opinion opposed to W8 or M$.

    Consequently I will not respond to any more of your input as it is a total waste of time. More fool me I guess for even trying to have a reasoned discussion.


    After finishing my use of Eneterprise, and buying W8 Pro OEM on disk, I communicated my view of the various pros and cons of W8 directly to M$. And they were far more open minded and reasonable in listening to constructive criciticism than you seem capable of, and expressed their gratitude for my positive feedback. And gave a commitment to consider the various points I raised.

    You also stated in an earlier post some time back, that M$ Aust did not give free phone support. Recently they gave me free phone support to the point of a senior techo taking control of my W8 computer online and agreeing there was a problem with a printing issue of Excel from Office 2103 and W8; and issued a report number and said they would forward it on to the research and develpoment team. See post #3. You do not speak factually.
    Last edited by Mustang; 24 Nov 2012 at 00:50.

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  2. #242


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I don't know why you bothered to rise to the bait, Mustang.

    Extraordinary that one person thinks they can impose their own peculiar criteria - else your opinion does not count.

    Do you have some sort of personal criteria by which local council/government election votes are valid?

    BTW, people can get used to a lot of things if they are exposed to them enough.

    Traffic noise and bad smells spring to mind.

    That does not make them a good thing.
    Yes, you're right. I should know better. It's a lost cause.

    I guess I'm like the Charlie Brown comic strip character. Every time Lucy would hold the ball for a penalty type kick, and promise not to pull it away when he went to kick it. And she would. And he'd fall for it time and again.

    So the question then becomes: What is the vulnerability in me that makes me susceptible to dialoguing with persons who have no intention of seeing anything but their own point of view?
    Last edited by Mustang; 24 Nov 2012 at 11:24.
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  3. #243


    Posts : 39
    Windows 8 Pro x64


    You may not notice it but there is improvements in windows 8. I should know because as a gamer I often would have lag while playing a game on win 7 in which on windows 8 there is no lag. And I have noticed from time to time Windows 7 will pause for just a brief amount of time while doing something, and in windows 8 there is no wait time. Load times are faster, image processing is faster, gaming is faster. However if you have a beast computer then yes you may not notice a difference, and because everyones computers aren't the same of course there will be arguments to which is better, but it really depends on which is better for you.
    I've heard many people say their computers can't run windows 8. But if your computer can then I see no reason not to give it a try.
    Whatever you wish to do is your own decision, running an OS in Virtual box is not a horrible thing. You should however keep the OS and not delete it, give it a chance, and work with it daily until you are 100% sure how you feel about it. You could run it forever in VM, thats your choiice since its your computer. But my best advice is if your computer has no problems and your happy with your old OS then you can choice whatever you feel. But if you are having problems, just like I had, then I would recommend you switch and see if those problems get fixed by using win 8. Personally I had no choice because I had problems with windows 7 so I have to use win 8. But more and more I'm thinking of running xp or 7 in VM and use 8 for gaming. A good thing about Virtual players are that if you get a virus you wont have to worry since its not into your main system.
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  4. #244


    Helena Al
    Posts : 29
    Windows 8 64bit Pro


    You must be Lucky Shane88 because in Battlefield 3 this Operating system is a crash ..lock up ..crash..OS. And it may have a little better speed..but no gamers delight here.
    Windows 7 run smooth but I hardly get to play a full game without a crash. Its a nightmare.
    This thing hates punkbuster and when you have mor then 30 people in a game you can almost bet it will lock up at some point.
    I don't know what they did but I am beginning as a gamer to hate it.
    I want them to make better and faster operating systems but on my CPU..and it is a Gaming system big time..it suck in my world right now unless they can fix it I send them a report every time.
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  5. #245


    Posts : 39
    Windows 8 Pro x64


    From a gaming point of view I can't say to much, I don't have a high power gaming system. My gpu is ATI radeon hd 4200 which has only 256mb dedicated Vram, 6.00gb ram, 2.8ghz dual-core amd phemon. My laptop revolves around Amd, it a Lenovo Ideapad z565. I want to upgrade to a better Ideapad with 1.00gb Vram but I can't afford 600$ right now. I'm sorry about your troubles on your part, I've heard so many stories from people and they range from success to failier across all versions of windows, what works for some fails for others. Its too bad MS can't make something that all computers would have no problems on. I've bought so many laptops that I thought would work gaming but then I always came up short and needed more Vram. I think this is my 6th or 7th laptop. Now I've learned to do my research and not cheap out looking for the best deal, gaming laptops go for at least 500$ nowadays. I saw one just the other day that had 3.00gb Vram and it was 700$ I think, which is way out of my budget right now.
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  6. #246


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I would appreciate it if you used the quoting facilities of the board rather than inserting your comments inline without attribution. That's what they're there for, and using color is difficult for people that are colorblind to interpret.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Total nonsense! Dual boot means there is a boot menu option at boot up, and there isn't one ... and they're not linked. And besides that, it's an irrelevant point. I only removed linked dual boot because it borked my system. Otherwise I would have left it, and not had any problem using it for pusposes of testing.
    Regardless of how you want to define it, you were booting more than one OS on the same computer. You seem to be missing the point entirely. I was pretty clear in my point that people that do not commit to using Windows 8 full time as their primary OS tend not to give it a fair chance. They have a mental model that says that this is a "test" and that their previous OS is their "Real" OS, and that they can only get real work done on their "real" OS.

    Committing to it, even if for just a few weeks, as your primary OS, without installing start menu replacements or anything else, is the only real way to know if you will like it or not. You're like someone that dips his toe in the pool and says it's too cold, while there are lots of people swimming around in the pool and think it's just fine.

    Get self-righteous all you want, but until you've done that, then you don't have a leg to stand on. Since almost everyone that HAS done that finds they like it, or at worst find it's not all that different once they get used to it. Many people even find they prefer Windows 8 and find Windows 7 annoying. Yes, even people that thought they hated it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    More nonsense! I notice you conveniently ignored and probably didn't even read the links in my previous post showing my setup and challenging anyone to show me how Metro would do the job more efficiently. Nor my questions to RobR asking for help in regard to knowing how to do the job without the Orb Start Menu. My reason being that I'm open minded and if there is a better way I want to know about it. Didn't you read my post and how I constantly experiment with things in search of a better way? Or do you only read selectively?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    None of that makes a difference. If you use Windows 8 as your primary OS for several weeks, without any hacks to make it like Windows 7, and you still don't like it. I'll eat my hat. But you won't, so I have no fear of indigestion.

    It's your MINDSET that puts you off it. It's your MINDSET that makes you think Windows 8 can't be as efficient. You can tell from the way you phrase things. You "challenge" people to prove that you Windows 7 isn't more efficient. You come into it with the preconcieved notion that you will hate it, and that Windows 8 will suck. You can't overcome that unless you want to, and despite your protestations of being open-minded, which you can tell from your wording that you are not, you do not seem to want to actually like it.
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  7. #247


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I don't know why you bothered to rise to the bait, Mustang.
    Thank you for your excellent advice; and for the avoidance it affords of not wasting any further time or energy replying to supercilious posts.

    Better to leave others to their own contentious, illogical thinking.

    Cheers M

    To any newcomers reading this thread, and the last few posts in particular, none of the advocates of Windows 8 have been willing or able to demonstrate proof of their hypothesis that this operating system in it's native state is equal to or more efficient than the setup I have outlined for Windows 7 in posts #45 and #129.

    In any scientific study, if a hypothesis is put forward, the onus of proof of the hypothesis is on the one making it. So it's up to the proponents of W8 to prove their claims that W8 system set-up is equally efficient if not more efficient than Windows 7.

    If someone claims a new type of motor vehicle carburettor system is equal to or more efficient than an old one, it must be provable in real time trials. And proof must be able to be repeated in future trials. And this has never been done. They're the ones with the new product and it's up to them to prove it.

    When anyone challenges their claims, instead of being able to offer proof of the efficiency of their system, side-by-side against the old system, they resort to blanket statements that the person challenging their hypothesis hasn't adequately tried the new system.

    Not only is that an avoidance of the original issue, but they have introduced a new hypothesis, (that people haven't tried it properly), without a single shred of evidence to prove such a ludicrous blanket claim.

    All they can do is duck the issue with red herrrings, inuendos and further unsubstaniated claims to "prove" their original unsubstantiated claims. In short, their position cannot be proved by either inductive argument, (logical reasoning), or deductive argument, (stands up under real life testing).

    If it's more efficient, prove it with timed trials by professionals equally proficient in either system performing the same multi-tasks over a wide range of varying applications! Until that happens they're only blowing smoke. So don't be fooled by the rhetoric.

    And it's not a question of whether Windows 8 is better or worse than Windows 7. It's a question of which system works best on the Windows 8 kernel! An Orb alpha numeric cascaded Start Menu, with everything available on the desktop. Or a Metro style tile menu which cannot be viewed on the desktop. So let the timed trials begin so the truth can out.

    Until then, you're only wasting everyone's time with unsubstantiated claims and opinions.
    Last edited by Mustang; 24 Nov 2012 at 18:30.
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  8. #248


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Lol. You're hilarious Mustang.

    I have no interest in proving anything to you. None are so blind as those that will not see.
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  9. #249


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Most repsonses to my last post based on a scientific approach will be emotive in nature, and generalizations attacking the personality rather than dealing with the issue.
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  10. #250


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Phew ... you guys really fought this one out. Why not just chill ... one of you likes the thing and the other doesn't.

    There ... now wasn't that easy?

    -Max ;-)
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