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Is Windows 8 a failure ? Time to say bye, bye MSFT ?

  1. #231


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Universally, everyone that says they hate it has not USED it for any length of time.
    No comment is necessary.

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  2. #232


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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Universally, everyone that says they hate it has not USED it for any length of time.
    No comment is necessary.
    Guess I'm not "universal". Tried it for a year from release of first Enterprise and still hate it in native format. Simple. Hate tile versus alphanumeric. Like the improved kernel. Thank God & My Digital Life, not M$ or My$tere, for Ex7ForW8!
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  3. #233


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Guess I'm not "universal". Tried it for a year from release of first Enterprise and still hate it in native format. Simple. Hate tile versus alphanumeric. Like the improved kernel. Thank God & My Digital Life, not M$ or My$tere, for Ex7ForW8!

    No, running it in a VM or dual booting for year is not the same thing. This has been shown time and again, people who do not use it as their primary OS just don't connect with it. They play around a little and then think "I'm going back to my real OS where I can get some work done". And if you immediately run to install a start menu replacement, you are also not giving it a chance.

    So no. You are "universal", because you haven't used it as your primary OS, without installing Windows 7 replacements for any length of time.
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  4. #234


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    So no. You are "universal", because you haven't used it as your primary OS, without installing Windows 7 replacements for any length of time.
    So I must be an extra-universal since I run Windows 8 pro in VM on a PC with Windows 8 enterprise

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  5. #235


    Is Windows 8 a failure?



    NO it's a bloody mitigating disaster!...................
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  6. #236


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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Guess I'm not "universal". Tried it for a year from release of first Enterprise and still hate it in native format. Simple. Hate tile versus alphanumeric. Like the improved kernel. Thank God & My Digital Life, not M$ or My$tere, for Ex7ForW8!

    No, running it in a VM or dual booting for year is not the same thing. This has been shown time and again, people who do not use it as their primary OS just don't connect with it. They play around a little and then think "I'm going back to my real OS where I can get some work done". And if you immediately run to install a start menu replacement, you are also not giving it a chance.

    So no. You are "universal", because you haven't used it as your primary OS, without installing Windows 7 replacements for any length of time.
    You really should get your facts straight, and not make assumptions, before you open your mouth.

    I did not run it as a VM or dual boot. I ran it as a clean installation on a totally separate eSATA 1TB spiinner HD plugged into an external caddy to avoid conflicting boot problems. At time of installation Win7 HD was unplugged to avoid creating a dual boot. This was because of problems initially encountered when running it on a 2nd partition on main HD; or 2nd HD with both active to create a dual boot, which initially worked, but ended totally borking both OSs. If the W8 HD was in the caddy on boot, the BIOS auto chose W8 to boot. If it was not, Win7 booted normally.

    I did try it over almost a year as a simulated main machine using all my normal programs that were not incompatible, like Avast and a few others, but with all my essential flagship programs operable. This included filing in duplicate, burning disks, running Govt Tax online programs with secure encrytped keys, movie creation, editing, photo shop, Excel spredsheets, Word, VLC media player ... and the list goes on ... and on! Sometiimes I have up to 4 or 5 windows open simultaneiously on the desktop. In short, I fastidiously duplicated all the work I did on my flagship on W8 in native state.

    You may not believe this, but some so called W8 haters are actually open minded, and rely on objective testing, not emotional knee jerk reactions, as you seem to do.

    This was not hard to do, as I spend many hours doing stuff on 2 or even 3 external or other internal HDs/devices lke wireless dongles, Blue Tooth, printers, etc. And duplicating or backing up on a 2nd PC. Using the external caddy and Win7 still plugged in enabled me to access all my files on W7 while running W8; and duplicate exactly all the tasks I'd just done on Win7 in W8. I also did this because I needed to know everything worked if I did buy it, and whcih worked best: Metro or Orb Start Menu.

    I also read all the posts showing how to configure Metro, etc, etc, ... and asked people like RobR, here, various questions on how he had been able to use it without needing Orb Start Menu. If there was a better way to use it than Orb Start Menu, I wanted to know because I would have used it. But the answer is, there isn't.

    I had finally reached the poiint of totally abandoning it by RTM version, and would have done so with only what I felt were inferior work arounds available like Classic Shell and Stardock. Ex7ForW8 was a last minute save for me or I would never have bought the retail OEM Pro on disk for $149. So please dont' say I didn't give it a fair go, and assume I "jumped ship" and "immediately ran to install a start menu replacement" to retrieve Start Orb/Alphanumeric cascaded Start Menu. About a year ago when the first Enerprise came out those options weren't avaiblabe. When they did come out, I had both running side by side while I tried and compared.

    I enjoy playing around with new devices as a challenge as I have done with multiple OSs, multple parititions and HDs, RAID arrays, etc, etc. I often deliberately infect/crash systems to test anti-virus programs, find work arounds to restore boot files using command prompt from installation disc & BCD edit, etc. When people tell me it can't be done, I like to prove them wrong. As I did when a M$ senior techo told me I couldn't load Win XP first before Win 98 in a multiple OS set up. I found a way to do it, and when I told M$ how, they replied I was dangerous and didn't want to know. As I've said before in several previous posts, where I outlined my set up with pics here & here ... Show me how Metro can improve my set up for efficiency. Not one single suggestion was offered.

    As far as I'm concerned, and this is my understanding of truth, which I do not intend to justify or prove to anyone, a tile menu on a serparate window will never be as efficient as the set-up on Win7 desktop for the work I do. Tablet, smartfone ... totally different scenario. Hell, I have enough problems running an active tile desktop and apps on my Sony Experia Android smartfone. Quoting Max Smart out of TV series "Get Smart" ... AND HATING IT!

    You embarrass your self when you make statemetnts based on assumptions instead of facts.
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  7. #237


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    Quote Originally Posted by KarterJK View Post

    I didn't realize the term "fanboi" was name calling... i
    look's like it depends on the forum. on another forum the Admin start a contest with this ;



    ROG December VGA Challenge

    Time for the Fanbois to step up and be counted. Which team will come out on top? The Red Team or the Green?
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  8. #238


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    You really should get your facts straight, and not make assumptions, before you open your mouth.

    I did not run it as a VM or dual boot. I ran it as a clean installation on a totally separate eSATA 1TB spiinner HD plugged into an external caddy to avoid conflicting boot problems. At time of installation Win7 HD was unplugged to avoid creating a dual boot.
    Dude. Dual Boot refers to the process of running more than one OS on the same computer, regardless of the method used to achieve that. It is not specific to having more than one os on the same disk. Just because you're using a seperate removable drive does *NOT* mean you are not dual booting. You are.

    The point, which you seem to have conveniently missed, is that if you do not commit to it.. running it as your primary OS, not "simulating" it, you simply don't have the incentive to get to know it. Everytime you encounter some issue or problem, you'll just want to run back to your "real" primary OS.

    If you give yourself an "out", you will always want to run back to the familair.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    In short, I fastidiously duplicated all the work I did on my flagship on W8 in native state.
    But you did not make it your primary OS. You just "simulated" it. You kept going back to Windows 7 to do your real work.
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  9. #239


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    I don't know why you bothered to rise to the bait, Mustang.

    Extraordinary that one person thinks they can impose their own peculiar criteria - else your opinion does not count.

    Do you have some sort of personal criteria by which local council/government election votes are valid?

    BTW, people can get used to a lot of things if they are exposed to them enough.

    Traffic noise and bad smells spring to mind.

    That does not make them a good thing.
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  10. #240


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Actually I find it a very good idea to try it in VM before. Why should someone commit before know if he will like it. Of course some believe that we have to commit to everything Microsoft Release, Microsoft can't do wrong. If we listen them, soon it will be wrote on the bill " In Microsoft we trust " and they gone replace Washington by Gates and Lincoln by Balmer.
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