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Is Windows 8 a failure ? Time to say bye, bye MSFT ?

  1. #161


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    Look, Mustang. I'd like to put this to bed. I'm fully willing to admit you are completely 100% right if you can just do one thing.

    Explain to me exactly why you feel justified in demonizing Microsoft for wanting to evolve their product. Explain to me why you feel Microsoft owes you a version of Windows 8 designed in the way you specify. Explain to me why you feel like you have been victimized by Microsoft.

    If you can adequately do that, without making generalizations, being vague, or otherwise dancing around the questions. I'll never question you again.

    Rambling vaguely about arrogance, or that Microsoft "thinks it what's knows best for you" won't cut it. Microsoft thinks it knows what's best for their shareholders. And what's best for their shareholders is a product they believe will be competitive. It's not a democracy.

    If they're wrong, then the market will tell them so by refusing to buy their products, and they will either change or go out of business. But that's their choice, and their prerogative. You simply do not fit into that equation if you do not want their product.

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  2. #162


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I have to dispute the win32 argument. Theoretically, in the long term, it will be turned over into WinRT. But right now, WinRT is actually a pretty new foundation layer on top of win32 as win32 has been proven to work and whatnot. There is simply too much piping and coding to get rid of it. But it might, as WinRT matures.
    I'm quite aware of that, which is why I said that Win32 will *slowly* become more and more irrelevant. It will probably take at least 5 years, and probably closer to 10 for that to happen, and it will be dependent upon Metro improving and addressing some of its limitations. But assuming that happens, Win32 will be dying off.. later rather than sooner though.
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  3. #163


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    And Microsoft has the right to ignore you, and pursue their own agenda.
    Holy moly, you seem to have way too much time on your hands. Of course Microsoft can do whatever they want with Windows! Who the hell disputes that?

    The entire point is that Microsoft's agenda is not that of a lot of their former users and fans. Microsoft is totally free to alienate whoever they want. It's simply a business judgement/gamble like all corporations make from time to time. They may find it is a losing gamble. Or not - who knows yet... it's early days. Microsoft has the right to do whatever they want with Windows, but there are alternatives nowadays.

    But as of right now, a lot of people, and it's not some tiny minority of Windows users, find Windows 8 to be absurd for their needs and their hardware. They just want Windows on their desktops/laptops. They are not interested and don't have the hardware for touchy interfaces, and naturally resent having that in their faces. Why is that so hard for you and you fellow fanbois to comprehend?

    Like I said, it's early days, and we'll see what shakes out. But your strange screed is just that... strange. Weird datribes about indivuals' legal standing? Idiotic talk about "dictating" and "rights". Come on - this is nonsensical. We're taking about MS alienating a big part of their base, that's all. Everyone has the right to tell MS that they don't like the changes. MS should honor that and take it on board. They're a business, these are their customers.

    You seem to take any criticism of Win8 as a personal attack. A lot of people really don't like the change of direction, and they are not the losers you try to make them out to be. A lot of people feel betrayed by these changes - don't be angry with them, try to understand.
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  4. #164


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    Quote Originally Posted by sgage View Post
    Holy moly, you seem to have way too much time on your hands. Of course Microsoft can do whatever they want with Windows! Who the hell disputes that?
    Mustang disputes it, You dispute it. Really, you do. You may say you don't, but the rest of your comments say you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by sgage View Post
    But as of right now, a lot of people, and it's not some tiny minority of Windows users, find Windows 8 to be absurd for their needs and their hardware. They just want Windows on their desktops/laptops. They are not interested and don't have the hardware for touchy interfaces, and naturally resent having that in their faces. Why is that so hard for you and you fellow fanbois to comprehend?
    Resentment comes from entitlement. You absolutely cannot feel resentment if you do not feel entitled to something that you are not getting. This is what I mean by you say one thing, but then say the other.

    And it's not a lot of people. It's a very small number of people. I've had experience with several dozen new Windows 8 users, and while many of them were a little confused at first, all of them figured things out pretty quickly and got on with their lives and did not allow a change in OS to consume their lives.

    I have yet to meet anyone that continues to have such a strong opposition to Windows 8 if they gave it a fair chance. The *ONLY* people I've encountered with such strong opinions are on message boards, and of those I don't know any of them that actually gave it a fair chance. They all self-admittedly ran to replace functions almost instantly, rather than trying to actually use it as intended for a period of time.

    Now, maybe there's some people out there that did give it a fair shake (and no, running it in a vm for an hour every now and then is not giving it a fair shake, even if you did that over many months during beta testing. You have to make it your primary OS for at least a week, preferably a couple of weeks.)

    Quote Originally Posted by sgage View Post
    Like I said, it's early days, and we'll see what shakes out. But your strange screed is just that... strange. Weird datribes about indivuals' legal standing? Idiotic talk about "dictating" and "rights". Come on - this is nonsensical. We're taking about MS alienating a big part of their base, that's all. Everyone has the right to tell MS that they don't like the changes. MS should honor that and take it on board. They're a business, these are their customers.
    As I said. Absolutely, everyone has the right criticize. There's a difference between saying your peace, and posting hundreds of messages saying the same thing over and over, and insisting that if they're not listened to that the company is arrogant and condescending.

    Quote Originally Posted by sgage View Post
    You seem to take any criticism of Win8 as a personal attack. A lot of people really don't like the change of direction, and they are not the losers you try to make them out to be. A lot of people feel betrayed by these changes - don't be angry with them, try to understand.
    Betrayed? Really? How can you feel betrayed if you don't feel entitled? You can't. It's a product. It's not a life partner.

    And I said very clearly that there's plenty to criticize. But there is a difference between criticism and obsession. A difference between criticism and a vendetta. A difference between criticism and making things up to justify your personal preferences.
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  5. #165


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sgage View Post
    Holy moly, you seem to have way too much time on your hands. Of course Microsoft can do whatever they want with Windows! Who the hell disputes that?
    Mustang disputes it, You dispute it. Really, you do. You may say you don't, but the rest of your comments say you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by sgage View Post
    But as of right now, a lot of people, and it's not some tiny minority of Windows users, find Windows 8 to be absurd for their needs and their hardware. They just want Windows on their desktops/laptops. They are not interested and don't have the hardware for touchy interfaces, and naturally resent having that in their faces. Why is that so hard for you and you fellow fanbois to comprehend?
    Resentment comes from entitlement. You absolutely cannot feel resentment if you do not feel entitled to something that you are not getting. This is what I mean by you say one thing, but then say the other.

    And it's not a lot of people. It's a very small number of people. I've had experience with several dozen new Windows 8 users, and while many of them were a little confused at first, all of them figured things out pretty quickly and got on with their lives and did not allow a change in OS to consume their lives.

    I have yet to meet anyone that continues to have such a strong opposition to Windows 8 if they gave it a fair chance. The *ONLY* people I've encountered with such strong opinions are on message boards, and of those I don't know any of them that actually gave it a fair chance. They all self-admittedly ran to replace functions almost instantly, rather than trying to actually use it as intended for a period of time.

    Now, maybe there's some people out there that did give it a fair shake (and no, running it in a vm for an hour every now and then is not giving it a fair shake, even if you did that over many months during beta testing. You have to make it your primary OS for at least a week, preferably a couple of weeks.)

    Quote Originally Posted by sgage View Post
    Like I said, it's early days, and we'll see what shakes out. But your strange screed is just that... strange. Weird datribes about indivuals' legal standing? Idiotic talk about "dictating" and "rights". Come on - this is nonsensical. We're taking about MS alienating a big part of their base, that's all. Everyone has the right to tell MS that they don't like the changes. MS should honor that and take it on board. They're a business, these are their customers.
    As I said. Absolutely, everyone has the right criticize. There's a difference between saying your peace, and posting hundreds of messages saying the same thing over and over, and insisting that if they're not listened to that the company is arrogant and condescending.

    Quote Originally Posted by sgage View Post
    You seem to take any criticism of Win8 as a personal attack. A lot of people really don't like the change of direction, and they are not the losers you try to make them out to be. A lot of people feel betrayed by these changes - don't be angry with them, try to understand.
    Betrayed? Really? How can you feel betrayed if you don't feel entitled? You can't. It's a product. It's not a life partner.

    You are beginning to come across as a lunatic.

    And I said very clearly that there's plenty to criticize. But there is a difference between criticism and obsession. A difference between criticism and a vendetta. A difference between criticism and making things up to justify your personal preferences.
    You are one sick dude. Now it's "entitlement", is it? Don't you get it? This is not about rightwing politics, it's about a business and its customers. You are projecting hard - you are the obsessed one. How did anything I say dispute the right of MS to do whatever they want?

    Now it's "if you don't love Windows 8 you feel entitled"? Look, if MS wants to alienate customers of may years, that's their business.; But your language is absurd and demented.

    You wrote "You absolutely cannot feel resentment if you do not feel entitled to something that you are not getting." Absolutely my ass - This is flaming idiocy. I, and a million others, feel resentment because a product that we've used for years has taken a weird turn that doesn't serve us. And before you trot out the old nonsense... NO, WE DON'T HATE CHANGE, WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF CHANGE.

    "I have yet to meet anyone that continues to have such a strong opposition to Windows 8 if they gave it a fair chance."

    You don't get out much. Listen, I have been using Window 8 since the first Developer's Preview, and every release since then, and I've purchased the damned thing, so just get off it.

    "And it's not a lot of people. It's a very small number of people."

    You, my friend, are clearly delusional.
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  6. #166


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Look, Mustang. I'd like to put this to bed.
    What I have said is my understanding of the truth in relation to this thread. And I stand by what I said. Period. What you do and say is your business, and is of no interest to me, because I consider your opinion biased.
    Last edited by Mustang; 17 Nov 2012 at 01:40.
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  7. #167


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    Sometimes, I just have to wonder if people just hit Ctrl Alt Delete and killed all logical thought processes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Sometimes, I just have to wonder if people just hit Ctrl Alt Delete and killed all logical thought processes.
    Hi Cokey, this is a quote from a well known book, (Ecclesiasticus 2:1): "For those who aspire to serve the Lord, prepare yourself for an ordeal."

    Let me paraphrase: For those who aspire to champion Wndows 8, prepare yourself for an onslaught.

    This is only the tip of the iceberg. As for the Titanic. Man the pumps and dig in for the long haul, because you will need every ounce of your enthusiasm before this is over ... it may well change from being an avocation to a full on life vocation, consuming all other interests and responsibilities in your life!

    Seriously, do admire your enthusiasm and honesty. You'd make a top gun salesman!
    Last edited by Mustang; 15 Nov 2012 at 22:17.
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  9. #169


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Sometimes, I just have to wonder if people just hit Ctrl Alt Delete and killed all logical thought processes.
    Hi Cokey, this is a quote from a well known book, (Ecclesiasticus 2:1): "For those who aspire to serve the Lord, prepare yourself for an ordeal."

    Let me paraphrase: For those who aspire to champion Wndows 8, prepare yourself for an onslaught.

    This is only the tip of the iceberg. As for the Titanic. Man the pumps and dig in for the long haul, because you will need every ounce of your enthusiasm before this is over ... it may well change from being an avocation to a full on life vocation, consuming all other interests and responsibilities in your life!

    Seriously, do admire your enthusiasm and honesty. You'd make a top gun salesman!
    I figured I'd need ALL my enthusiasm and my Windows Phone, but some people, it's like WHAT?! It's literally like logic thought just got Ctrl Alt Deleted. Some are saying that they're jumping to Linux because Valve and Steam are going to, Windows 7 is going to be used like xp, and some are tripping balls because metro APPS, apps are the reason they crap down Windows 8.



    But yes, I would make a killer salesman, ESPECIALLY a Windows Phone salesman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I figured I'd need ALL my enthusiasm and my Windows Phone, but some people, it's like WHAT?! It's literally like logic thought just got Ctrl Alt Deleted. Some are saying that they're jumping to Linux because Valve and Steam are going to, Windows 7 is going to be used like xp, and some are tripping balls because metro APPS, apps are the reason they crap down Windows 8.



    But yes, I would make a killer salesman, ESPECIALLY a Windows Phone salesman.
    I can understand your frustration. And do agree some complaints are really just smoke and mirrors.

    And I'm quite sincere in my belief you'd be a gun salesman for Windows phones. I've sold everything from cordials to grocery stores as a student, to civil engineering contracts. And in my previous occupation of marketing manager I'd certainly give you a job.
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