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Is Windows 8 a failure ? Time to say bye, bye MSFT ?

  1. #131


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    I use both, tseven.

    Classic Start for progs. Start screen for apps.

    I'm happy with that...

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  2. #132


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by tseven View Post
    I don't think the start menu needs to be put back in exactly. Having both a start menu AND a start screen could be confusing since we can't choose between the two but there definitely should be a menu that contains what the start menu had maybe it can be called something else.
    The hack Ex7ForW8 allows you to use traditional W7 desktop/Orb Start Menu, with a toggle switch to return to Metro if you wish.

    In effect you're either running Explorer 7 exactly as per W7 with no Metro available. Or via the toggle switch you're running Explorer 8 with Metro Start screen. But you can't use both at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kat
    I use both, tseven.

    Classic Start for progs. Start screen for apps.

    I'm happy with that...
    Hi Kat,

    I would do exactly the same thing, except that I never use M$ apps.

    Cheers mate, M
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  3. #133


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Hey, mate...:-)

    I don't use many, but have been checking a few out.

    I do like the weather app, tho.
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  4. #134


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by tseven View Post
    The reason for this is there is no program folder or list. While going into the start screen is an option it gets confusing because both desktop AND metro apps are put together. A division inside the desktop would help users separate what can only be used in the desktop environment it will also help to find those programs easily to pin to the taskbar. Also easy access would be good.
    Can you provide an adequate justification for why a user should have to care whether any given app is a metro app or desktop app? Why does it matter? You want to run the app, you click the tile. It automatically takes you to where you need to be.
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  5. #135


    Posts : 299
    win 7 home premium 64 bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    I'm not against Windows 8 per se, I am against being forced as the consumer to not have a choice between booting to the Metro UI or to the desktop.
    It's NOT that big a deal! The desktop tile is the first one listed on the default Metro screen. Tap it and you're there. If you put your machine to sleep it returns to the desktop when it wakes up. C'mon ... let's give this one (and the missing Start Button) a rest, shall we. It ain't a problem!

    -Max

    That's fine IF you don't ever turn your PC off at night or when you are not using it....but you see, I and others do, it is after all my choice.

    The fact is that what you say does not work if you are turning the PC off and then back on .

    It IS a problem for a LOT of folks that CHOOSE to turn their computer off.
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  6. #136


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    There are literally a dozen different ways to "fix" that "problem" and boot directly to the desktop. It seems like you're making a huge stink over something that you have the power to control yourself.
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  7. #137


    Posts : 162
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Why does this straw man keep coming up?

    Windows 8 does not *REQUIRE* touch. It's not a touch screen OS. It works perfectly fine with a mouse and keyboard. Nobody is forcing you to buy a touch screen monitor and reach across your desk.

    As such, this entire straw man of an argument is pointless. Great, you don't want touch. You don't have to have touch. Touch is not required.

    Windows 8 works great with a mouse and keyboard AND it works great with a touch screen (or other touch device like a touch pad). You can use it with either.
    I can only assume you are referring to my post. If I am wrong I am sorry. I did not say Windows 8 requires touch screen. All I was giving was my personal preference to desktop touch screens. From what I have seen with Windows 8 you can use touch and or keyboard/mouse and all is good. I would rather use touch screen for mobile devices and keyboard/mouse for my desktop. Again this is my personal preference. Also metro looks to be better for touch screens but I can't speak on this yet since I don't have a Windows 8 touch device just a desktop for now. So please read before you post.

    Thank You

    BTW what is straw man?
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  8. #138


    Posts : 299
    win 7 home premium 64 bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    There are literally a dozen different ways to "fix" that "problem" and boot directly to the desktop. It seems like you're making a huge stink over something that you have the power to control yourself.
    I'm glad you said it...."Fix that problem".

    Why should the customer have to fix such an obvious omission on a brand new OS with third party software? I know the pitfalls of doing that and I don't want the hassle. A core item like that should be handled by MS.
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  9. #139


    Posts : 162
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    There are literally a dozen different ways to "fix" that "problem" and boot directly to the desktop. It seems like you're making a huge stink over something that you have the power to control yourself.
    I agree with Mystere, simple fix with a third party app. If you don't want to use the app it's only one extra click to the desktop. I to also agree Microsoft should of gave the choice to us but again not a big issue to me.
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  10. #140


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    I'm glad you said it...."Fix that problem".
    You really have no sense of context do you? I didn't say "Fix that problem". I said "fix" that "problem", notice how they're both in quotes. That's because it isn't in fact a problem, and it's not in fact fixing anything. It's just placating people.

    Who said anything about third party software? I am talking about ways to boot to the start screen that do not involve installing a single piece of third party software. And I've posted several of them to this board. Third party software will do it for you automatically, but it's something you can do yourself, without any software if you so desire.

    We know you don't actually want to fix this though, because you enjoy complaining about it, and if you fixed it, your life would no longer have meaning. (yes, that's sarcasm, since we can see you have trouble noticing it).

    Quote Originally Posted by jbfoster View Post
    I agree with Mystere, simple fix with a third party app. If you don't want to use the app it's only one extra click to the desktop. I to also agree Microsoft should of gave the choice to us but again not a big issue to me.
    As I said above, there are a number of ways to do this without any third party software. And yeah, it's one click, or one keypress. All you have to do is tap the windows key or escape and the start screen goes away.
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