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Search. Please, please explain it to me!

  1. #1


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    Search. Please, please explain it to me!


    I have a folder with python scripts off my c drive. They don't come up when I search by name from the Start (Metro) interface. Is the only way to have things show up is by including their location in the indexing? If not, why don't these "python" files (all with "python" in the name, show up? Are only indexed locations capable of showing up? The Start menu search options are ridiculously weak, and the search and indexing options in the old interface don't seem to help. How can I get files in non-indexed locations to show up?

    Also, on a related note--if something doesn't show up in your "Metro" search list--how do you pin it to the Start menu? The only way I seem able to show non-search showing files is via going to the old style desktop--which provides no right click "pin to start menu" option. I'd like very much to have these python scripts in my start list. Other files as well. Is the only way to do it by indexing all my drives?

    Really, really trying to like this interface, but it's getting harder by the minute.

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  2. #2


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    The search functionality in the start page only searches indexed locations.

    If you want advanced search, then you have to do it in File Explorer, which offers all kinds of advanced search options, including searching in non-indexed locations.

    I'm not sure why this would be so frustrating, it's how the search in Windows 7 worked as well (start menu had a search function that only searched indexed locations).

    What *I* find confusing is how functionality that works exactly like it did in previous versions of Windows suddenly becomes so frustrating and confusing in Windows 8 to so many people.

    As for adding your python files to the start menu, you have to understand how Windows works. Windows does not see .python files as executables. It sees them as documents. It "runs" them by passing them to the python interpreter, just as if it was an excel or word document.

    You can't add excel or word documents to the start menu directly, but you can if you create shortcuts to them.

    Another option is to create a generic shortcut file that has in it's target, the python compiler with the .python file you want to execute. Then you can add this shortcut to the start menu.

    A third option would be create a batch file that executes the python interpreter and passes the .python file, then pinning this batch file to the start menu.
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  3. #3


    Posts : 22,581
    64-bit Windows 10


    Hello Daney,

    Please see my reply at your other post below on this to see if it may help.

    Search in Windows 8
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  4. #4


    Posts : 11
    win 8


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    What *I* find confusing is how functionality that works exactly like it did in previous versions of Windows suddenly becomes so frustrating and confusing in Windows 8 to so many people.

    As for adding your python files to the start menu, you have to understand how Windows works. Windows does not see .python files as executables. It sees them as documents. It "runs" them by passing them to the python interpreter, just as if it was an excel or word document.
    Yep, figured that out right after posting--what threw me was I thought there was no way to pin even an executable to the start menu when working in the Desktop OS. Once I saw you could, then it was trivial to make a shortcut.

    That said, the reason it becomes frustrating is that there is a gulf between the two methods--working in Metro, you don't get a hint of the other search option. So, I just expect it to show my files. At the very least there needs to be, right in the Metro search, a "Search again" type feature (just like in Win 7) that leads you to the more advanced search. Instead, you're given nothing to alter, add to, customize, the search. It's horrible UI.

    This is one of the key issues with 8--the simplified Metro tools either are dead ends that don't link to more advanced desktop tools (so you end up having to manually switch to desktop mode and start over--if you know how) or it "throws" you into the desktop, making efficient multi-tasking rather horrible. And vice-versa--being thrown to a single-instance interface from the windowed interface because you say, double-clicked an image and it opened it in a Metro app, is jarring and unproductive to say the least. The single-window approach of Metro feels like Win 3.1.

    Now, in my attempt to give this kluge a chance, I'm stumped about another thing: I opened Firefox. Then went to a Metro app for a while for some reason. 20 minutes later, I needed something off the web--went to the start menu, and I wasn't sure if I already opened firefox, so I clicked its tile again--viola, two firefox instances. Any quick way from Metro to see what's running, other than going to the Task Manager? The desktop icon doesn't really show it. Mouse to the left (which shows Metro apps running) doesn't seem to do it either. It's pretty not nice if there's not a way, from within Metro, to see if a desktop app is already running so you can avoid launching it again (and again). You have to take the step of jumping to the desktop to check. Why not a dynamic indication on the tile itself if the application is active--or am I missing something?
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  5. #5


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    Windows 8.1 x64


    Right now, as far as I can tell, there's no way from the "modern" (metro) interface to see the tasks running on the desktop, as all modern apps (other than browsers) are completely sandboxed and can't see anything else on the system. I have a multi-mon setup which allows this (and I have Process Explorer always active on one of my secondary monitors), but if you are a single-mon guy, you'll have to alt-tab to the desktop (or click it) to check your list of running applications. Clicking on an app from the start screen (if it's a desktop app) seems to do a CreateProcess call to the app, and if you're using a desktop browser as your default, and the browser isn't designed to catch that (like IE is) and open a new tab rather than a new process, you're a bit out of luck. I know firefox has some pretty cool extensions and is a good browser, but some of the design decisions they make are infuriating (like this one) once you get used to how IE and Google Chrome handle these sorts of things.
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    Posts : 1,127
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    when I click on my firefox tile on the start screen (and firefox is already running on the desktop), it does not launch another instance of firefox. it just brings me back to my firefox window.
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  7. #7


    Posts : 534
    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Clicking Alt-Tab from anywhere will bring up the same application switcher from Windows 7 and you can see everything that is running regardless whether its a Metro App or a Desktop Application. Also, not many know that you don't have to keep tabbing through the list consecutively to get to the application you want. Once the list is up on the screen you can just mouse click the specific application you want to bring up.
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    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    Right now, as far as I can tell, there's no way from the "modern" (metro) interface to see the tasks running on the desktop
    R0bR is correct. You can see all running tasks (desktop or metro) using alt-tab.
    Awesome find!
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    Posts : 6
    Windows 8


    Ctrl-alt-tab is nice, too!
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  10. #10


    Posts : 11
    win 8


    Thanks! Forgot to try the old Alt-Tab method. That is serviceable, so that's the way I'll go. It's not perfect though--it throws you to the desktop as soon as you touch it, so it's kind of useless for a "quick check" kind of thing. Plus it is an extra step--really should be a "swipe" method of seeing desktop apps that are running.

    By the way, if you WANT an application to open a 2nd window, hold SHIFT down when you click the tile. Sometimes I actually DO want a 2nd browser instance (or other program) and that's a nice trick. Seems no way with Firefox though to NOT have it run a 2nd one.
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