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Windows 8 First Impressions

  1. #81


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    You are wrong on about half of that stuff.

    First, Media Center is still available, it's just an add-on. Second, the games were moved to Metro, and there are are a lot more of them now, and of better quality. Windows briefcase is still there, it's just disabled by default. You can re-enable it with a registry hack.

    How to restore the missing Briefcase feature in Windows 8 RTM | Winaero

    Fourth, Backup and restore is still there, I use it every day.

    Fifth, desktop gadgets were removed from Windows 7 long ago, for security reasons.


    Whatever your using, (History I presume) it's not the same as previous Backup and restore, can't be bothered to explain the differences! As for your response to Games, so feeble, must try harder!............

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  2. #82


    Pembrokeshire, South Wales, UK
    Posts : 653
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 32 bit/ Windows 8.1 64 bit


    Well I've been using Windows 8 since Friday. When the beta first started doing the rounds I didn't bother trying it, for some reason it didn't grab me like Windows 7 did, I tried that for a while and took up the pre-order offer, I've been very happy with it and clean installed it on my Vista machine.

    Was thinking of getting myself a tablet, thinking it would be great for using when I'm in the living room, my machine is at the other end of the bungalow and there are times I've shut down and thought I ought to have put something else in the post I made or I wanted to stay in the forum a bit longer.

    Looking at the price and the choice in my mail order catalogue decided I might as well get a laptop for the price as I could probably do more with it than I could on a tablet. I received it on Friday complete with an install of Windows 8 64bit.

    So far I'm finding my way around and the main thing is though using a laptop and a touchpad rather than a mouse and a comfortable keyboard (Microsoft Natural Ergonomic) I installed Office Home & Student 2007 because my copy of 2010 is already installed on 3 machines and my 2007 version is a retail one. I've also downloaded from Microsoft their Essential bundle so hopefully that takes care of Media Player, haven't had chance to try it yet. I did get a key from Microsoft to get Media Player but it didn't work I think because I don't have the Pro version of 8.

    I'll make a decision about the OS after I've used it for a while but at present I'm going between my Windows 7 machine and the Windows 8 one because I don't have everything yet on the Laptop.
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  3. #83


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rialcnis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    It's 30 years I use Microsoft and Sell Microsoft products, I know very well what to expect from them, aside I never look at system at Staples, not really my type. I must say the Apple mac air and iMac at staples worth to be look at.
    So why waste you time on this forum? Some kind of Apple activism?
    LOL, me fanboy or activist,


    well let see:

    I have 9 PC ( that I build my self ) all runing Microsoft Product ( AMD and Intel )
    1 have 5 PC running Linux ( AMD and Intel)
    I have 12 servers , runing Microsoft and ESXi ( AMD and Intel )
    I have an iMac
    I have a Dell Inspiron and a latitude, a XPS 13 , a Emachine celeron notebook a emachine $ 200 netbook
    I have an mac book air
    I have an iPad and a iPhone and a Android phones

    and also my oldest PC , A dell XPS 420 with Vista, and about 20 old pc on the shelf not worth to mention

    I said the only worth stuff at staples is MAC because I can build way better PC than the HP and Emachine they sell there, so for me only the mac interest me when I go staples. it'S like if you own a BMW and you go in KIA dellers who sell also Mercedez benz, will you look at the KIA ? ( I don't own a BMW )
    Good grief ... I've got something like 4 PC's of various flavors in the house and thought I had too much stuff. You sure got my act beat. Why do you need all that hardware, trying to network them into a supercomputer or something? Sheesh!

    -Max
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  4. #84


    I have just come up with a positive for windows 8! I've frequented my local pub, for stress management more since it was installed!.............
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  5. #85


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Hi Phil,

    Backup and restore is still there. It is included so people don't yell blue murder when they can't restore the images they made in win7.

    It has been hidden in control panel under the bizarre name - windows 7 file recovery ( something like that).

    I am pretty sure MS will take it out and shoot it as soon as they can get away with it.


    If you want a list of things removed, here's a start:

    Features and configuration options removed in Windows 8
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  6. #86


    Posts : 1,308
    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post



    , trying to network them into a supercomputer or something? Sheesh!

    -Max
    You not so far, 5 of my servers are setup in fail over cluster. In short it's means they are all connected to the same storage ( SAN) so all OS are in VM and the VM are in the same storage,( except that each servers run servers 2008r2 to support Hyper-V ) if a Server crash, the vm will be transfer to another server, it'S done so fast that you don,t even notice it. This is a lab setup, so I experiment at home instead of in my customer servers. Like now I'm running my Windows 8 PCs connected to a server 2012 essential so when I will install it to a customer place I will have already experience with it
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  7. #87


    SIW2 thanks for that link, with list, all of the Items I listed in my original post (Post 78) are on this list below, Mystere clearly has his rose tinted MS glasses on!.......................


    Start Menu has been removed. Here's how the Start Menu was superior to the Start Screen:
    - No full-screen requirement, it doesn't disturb your workflow and gets out of the way quickly
    - Had quick access to shutdown commands
    - Special folders 1 click away and expandable
    - Expandable Recent documents
    - Start Menu jump lists for pinning documents associated with that program
    - Frequently used programs list
    - Neatly organized All Programs list by folders
    - Does not cover the Taskbar and the notification area
    - Search results are in a single unified list of Programs, Files and Settings for easy up/down keyboard navigation but still neatly categorized
    - Context menu options of our choice not present in Start screen. Whatever limited context menu actions Start Screen has are at the bottom of the screen which means more movement between the tile and the bottom actions
    - No context menu options available at all for settings and files on the Start screen
    - Launch multiple apps quickly by holding down Shift (Classic Start Menu of 9x and Classic Shell has this feature)
    - Less items fit on the screen at a time due to the large size which means more scrolling unnecessarily for keyboard and mouse users
    - The hot corner has poor discoverability

    Built-in (Microsoft provided) DVD playback in Windows Media Player will not be available on the Windows 8 platform even with addition of the Media Center Pack

    Device Manager no longer shows Non-Plug and Play Drivers/hidden devices. The "Devmgr_Show_NonPresent_Devices=1' environment variable has no effect.

    Applications can no longer programmatically configure, change or query file associations or set themselves during installation as the default for a file type or protocol!

    Explorer metadata/property handler for media files is removed which means the Details pane won't show those nice properties

    Many commands are missing on the Ribbon which were there on Explorer command bar like Compatibility Files, View Remote Printers etc and others for special folders and namespace extensions. They just forgot to add these to these commands!

    Reduced productivity: The menu bar in Windows Explorer has been removed and replaced with the unproductive Ribbon interface. Keyboard usability of the Ribbon is poor because in a menu, the first letter of any menu command or Alt+keyboard combination key is easier toread sequentially as it is placed in a row either horizontally or vertically. Mouse usability of the Ribbon and discoverability of commands is also poor, because unlike in a menu, whereyou can switch from one menu to another without clicking again, the Ribbon tabs do not activate unless you click again. The File menu also showed context menu commands but the File button on the Ribbon does not show these. Commands in the menu can be static (always available) irrespective of the location you are at in Explorer or they can be contextual like the File menu. In contrast, commands on the Ribbon are all contextual meaning you have to navigate to a certain location to use that Ribbon command.

    The ability to boot directly to the desktop and not load the Metro components in memory is not there. Items in various startup locations (Registry, startup folder etc) are all loaded with a delay of few seconds with no way to load them instantly.

    The Lock screen is the place where you can now display custom background instead of the Logon screen, but unlike the Logon screen, there seems to be no way to programmatically change or cycle through a group of images for the Lock screen background. It must be set manually by the user from PC settings on the Start screen.

    The "Unblock" button previously available on the file properties dialog for unblocking downloaded files (removing the NTFS Alternate Data Stream from the downloaded file) has been removed.

    Running Internet Explorer purely in 64-bit mode is not possible unless Enhanced Protected Mode is enabled which disables all addons. Otherwise, 64-bit IE10 opens 32-bit tabs.

    Search option to use natural language search has been removed.

    Mouse control panel option to allow or disallow themes to change mouse pointers is removed from the GUI.

    File operations like Rename, Delete can no longer be undone for UAC-protected locations

    Security Essentials settings for configuring default actions or real-time protection have been removed. (Security Essentials is now built-in as Windows Defender)

    In a dual boot scenario, the ability to directly boot into another OS besides Windows 8 is slowed down because the new Windows 8 boot shell/loader reboots to load the other operating system

    Windows Update settings for showing notifications and allowing all users to install updates have been removed. Windows Update no longer notifies with a balloon notification that there are new updates available.

    Sound events for 'Exit Windows', 'Windows Logon' and 'Windows Logoff' are removed

    People Near Me P2P API is removed

    WinHelp has been completely discontinued. No download will be available.

    MSConfig's Startup tab has been killed and replaced by the Task Manager's Startup tab that doesn't have the 'Location' column which was useful for example to know if the process started from HKCU or HKLM.

    Previous Versions for Shadow Copies is removed. The half-baked replacement is the File History feature which is only for certain file types (documents, music, videos and pictures) in Libraries, desktop and browser favorites. Previous Versions worked for any generic file type in any folder. File History does not even support EFS-encrypted files! File History is supposed to replace both "Previous Versions for Shadow Copies" as well as "Windows Backup and Restore" and it doesn't do 100% of either of the features it "replaces".

    Advanced Appearance settings which let you adjust colors, sizes and fonts are removed

    Explorer copy engine issue: Folder conflict prompt when merging/overwriting folders is removed. Explorer silently merges subfolders in a copy operation, you cannot choose entire subfolders to skip or overwrite

    Explorer status bar removes the ability to show important details. It is now a private undocumented control (DirectUI) so it also doesn't allow Explorer addons like Classic Shell to show information like free disk space, total size of items without selection, computer zone, infotip information as it could on a standard status bar control.

    Explorer: Ability to enable both Details pane and Preview pane simultaneously in Explorer for display of file metadata as well as preview, or, Details pane to be always shown and only the Preview pane toggled is gone

    Flip 3D is gone

    Chkdsk when run at startup does not display any information about file system repairs besides % complete. The screen with scanning and correction details is gone when Chkdsk runs at startup and replaced by just a % complete.

    Pen and Touch Input Desktop features no longer included. Some buttons ('num', 'sym' and 'web) are removed from the Handwriting input panel and UI changes to it require more clicks for example to switch from handwriting to keyboard, or access the editing commands (join, split, delete). It is now touch-friendly but no longer stylus-friendly.

    Network Map feature and some network profile management UI from Network and Sharing Center is missing

    Memory addresses and other technical information has been removed from the Windows 8 bug check screen (BSOD)

    The new Task Manager is missing many features of the old one. (New Task Manager bugs and issues)

    View Available Networks (VAN) UI has been crippled with access to the most important dialog: the Network's Status removed. The VAN UI now covers the notification area icons unnecessarily and the Metro look is out of place on the Aero desktop

    The AutoPlay dialog removes the option to always open a particular program based on the file type

    The Open With dialog breaks the NoInternetOpenWith and NoFileAssociate Group Policies and browsing for a program with the redesigned Open With dialog requires three clicks instead of just one.

    The Windows Error Reporting dialog for reporting/debugging crashes does not save the state of "View details"

    Wireless NICs no longer have in-box drivers for hosted/virtual Wi-Fi whose virtual adapter used to be automatically enabled on Windows 7

    Windows CardSpace is not installed even after installing .NET 3.0/3.5

    The keyboard shortcut for Windows Mobility Center has been removed. Previously, Win+X brought it up, now it brings up the power user context menu.

    Desktop games (no word on whether they will be included or dropped in favor of Metro-style games):
    Chess Titans
    FreeCell
    Hearts
    Solitaire
    Spider Solitaire
    Minesweeper
    Mahjong Titans
    Purble Place

    Windows DVD Maker is removed

    Windows Briefcase

    Windows Gadget Platform is intact but no gadgets to download as the online Gadget Gallery was killed for Windows Vista and Windows 7 users as well.

    Some remoting apps that use mirror drivers or some features of mirror drivers for remoting scenarios, accessibility, or desktop duplication may no longer be supported due to the changes required to be made to Desktop Window Manager.

    Some Audio Compression Manager (ACM) components are broken resulting in ACM-based apps being unable to do format conversion.

    Deprecated but not yet removed:


    Windows Backup and Restore is deprecated. Although the feature is still intact, shell integration of Backup features is removed.

    The command line tools, DiskPart.exe, DiskRAID.exe, and the Disk Management GUI are being deprecated and replaced by the WMIv2-based Windows Storage Management API with the Storage PowerShell command line utility. Dynamic Disks are being deprecated as part of this transition. (GUI for Disk Management deprecated and replaced by command line? - way to go!)

    Subsystem for UNIX-based applications is deprecated

    Some Transactional NTFS (TxF) APIs like savepoints, secondary RM, miniversion and roll forward

    PLEASE DOCUMENT THESE SOMEWHERE. What else is removed? What else is silently gone that Windows 7 had and user is not informed?????.........Anyone notice random features and options missing from Control Panels and Windows components?

    Can someone pin this topic please? I need a complete list from Microsoft, not something I have to buy RTM and discover missing features.

    If only Microsoft built Windows 8 as Windows 7 + value added OS, it would have been perfect. Limiting choice, removing options and forcing their choice on us (what they call "simplifying") is Microsoft's goal with this release. There are a few things like XPDM (XP Driver Model) etc removed but I am going to selectively list items which I consider regressions or a step back. Removal of XPDM is a good thing IMHO. Any thing you notice gone causing a regression/reduction in functionality, please report
    The only way MS is ever likely to listen is if you show with your pockets. - xpclient



    Link: Features and configuration options removed in Windows 8
    There you have it folks! Bloody software butchery if you ask me...............
    Last edited by Philgates; 21 Nov 2012 at 17:44.
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  8. #88


    I have enjoyed Windows 3.11; 95; 98; 98SE; ME; XP; 7; and now 8. Notice that I skipped Vista. You don't NEED to upgrade, but I'm glad that I did.

    If you're happy with 7 (I was), that's great.
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  9. #89


    Posts : 1,339
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64 bit


    Built-in (Microsoft provided) DVD playback in Windows Media Player will not be available on the Windows 8 platform even with addition of the Media Center Pack
    This puzzles me, because I just watched a DVD music video on my Windows 8 machine after installing Media Center Pack, something I was not able to do before I installed Media Center Pack.
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  10. #90


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Philgates View Post
    SIW2 thanks for that link, with list, all of the Items I listed in my original post (Post 78) are on this list below, Mystere clearly has his rose tinted MS glasses on!.......................


    Start Menu has been removed. Here's how the Start Menu was superior to the Start Screen:
    - No full-screen requirement, it doesn't disturb your workflow and gets out of the way quickly
    - Had quick access to shutdown commands
    - Special folders 1 click away and expandable
    - Expandable Recent documents
    - Start Menu jump lists for pinning documents associated with that program
    - Frequently used programs list
    - Neatly organized All Programs list by folders
    - Does not cover the Taskbar and the notification area
    - Search results are in a single unified list of Programs, Files and Settings for easy up/down keyboard navigation but still neatly categorized
    - Context menu options of our choice not present in Start screen. Whatever limited context menu actions Start Screen has are at the bottom of the screen which means more movement between the tile and the bottom actions
    - No context menu options available at all for settings and files on the Start screen
    - Launch multiple apps quickly by holding down Shift (Classic Start Menu of 9x and Classic Shell has this feature)
    - Less items fit on the screen at a time due to the large size which means more scrolling unnecessarily for keyboard and mouse users
    - The hot corner has poor discoverability

    Built-in (Microsoft provided) DVD playback in Windows Media Player will not be available on the Windows 8 platform even with addition of the Media Center Pack

    Device Manager no longer shows Non-Plug and Play Drivers/hidden devices. The "Devmgr_Show_NonPresent_Devices=1' environment variable has no effect.

    Applications can no longer programmatically configure, change or query file associations or set themselves during installation as the default for a file type or protocol!

    Explorer metadata/property handler for media files is removed which means the Details pane won't show those nice properties

    Many commands are missing on the Ribbon which were there on Explorer command bar like Compatibility Files, View Remote Printers etc and others for special folders and namespace extensions. They just forgot to add these to these commands!

    Reduced productivity: The menu bar in Windows Explorer has been removed and replaced with the unproductive Ribbon interface. Keyboard usability of the Ribbon is poor because in a menu, the first letter of any menu command or Alt+keyboard combination key is easier toread sequentially as it is placed in a row either horizontally or vertically. Mouse usability of the Ribbon and discoverability of commands is also poor, because unlike in a menu, whereyou can switch from one menu to another without clicking again, the Ribbon tabs do not activate unless you click again. The File menu also showed context menu commands but the File button on the Ribbon does not show these. Commands in the menu can be static (always available) irrespective of the location you are at in Explorer or they can be contextual like the File menu. In contrast, commands on the Ribbon are all contextual meaning you have to navigate to a certain location to use that Ribbon command.

    The ability to boot directly to the desktop and not load the Metro components in memory is not there. Items in various startup locations (Registry, startup folder etc) are all loaded with a delay of few seconds with no way to load them instantly.

    The Lock screen is the place where you can now display custom background instead of the Logon screen, but unlike the Logon screen, there seems to be no way to programmatically change or cycle through a group of images for the Lock screen background. It must be set manually by the user from PC settings on the Start screen.

    The "Unblock" button previously available on the file properties dialog for unblocking downloaded files (removing the NTFS Alternate Data Stream from the downloaded file) has been removed.

    Running Internet Explorer purely in 64-bit mode is not possible unless Enhanced Protected Mode is enabled which disables all addons. Otherwise, 64-bit IE10 opens 32-bit tabs.

    Search option to use natural language search has been removed.

    Mouse control panel option to allow or disallow themes to change mouse pointers is removed from the GUI.

    File operations like Rename, Delete can no longer be undone for UAC-protected locations

    Security Essentials settings for configuring default actions or real-time protection have been removed. (Security Essentials is now built-in as Windows Defender)

    In a dual boot scenario, the ability to directly boot into another OS besides Windows 8 is slowed down because the new Windows 8 boot shell/loader reboots to load the other operating system

    Windows Update settings for showing notifications and allowing all users to install updates have been removed. Windows Update no longer notifies with a balloon notification that there are new updates available.

    Sound events for 'Exit Windows', 'Windows Logon' and 'Windows Logoff' are removed

    People Near Me P2P API is removed

    WinHelp has been completely discontinued. No download will be available.

    MSConfig's Startup tab has been killed and replaced by the Task Manager's Startup tab that doesn't have the 'Location' column which was useful for example to know if the process started from HKCU or HKLM.

    Previous Versions for Shadow Copies is removed. The half-baked replacement is the File History feature which is only for certain file types (documents, music, videos and pictures) in Libraries, desktop and browser favorites. Previous Versions worked for any generic file type in any folder. File History does not even support EFS-encrypted files! File History is supposed to replace both "Previous Versions for Shadow Copies" as well as "Windows Backup and Restore" and it doesn't do 100% of either of the features it "replaces".

    Advanced Appearance settings which let you adjust colors, sizes and fonts are removed

    Explorer copy engine issue: Folder conflict prompt when merging/overwriting folders is removed. Explorer silently merges subfolders in a copy operation, you cannot choose entire subfolders to skip or overwrite

    Explorer status bar removes the ability to show important details. It is now a private undocumented control (DirectUI) so it also doesn't allow Explorer addons like Classic Shell to show information like free disk space, total size of items without selection, computer zone, infotip information as it could on a standard status bar control.

    Explorer: Ability to enable both Details pane and Preview pane simultaneously in Explorer for display of file metadata as well as preview, or, Details pane to be always shown and only the Preview pane toggled is gone

    Flip 3D is gone

    Chkdsk when run at startup does not display any information about file system repairs besides % complete. The screen with scanning and correction details is gone when Chkdsk runs at startup and replaced by just a % complete.

    Pen and Touch Input Desktop features no longer included. Some buttons ('num', 'sym' and 'web) are removed from the Handwriting input panel and UI changes to it require more clicks for example to switch from handwriting to keyboard, or access the editing commands (join, split, delete). It is now touch-friendly but no longer stylus-friendly.

    Network Map feature and some network profile management UI from Network and Sharing Center is missing

    Memory addresses and other technical information has been removed from the Windows 8 bug check screen (BSOD)

    The new Task Manager is missing many features of the old one. (New Task Manager bugs and issues)

    View Available Networks (VAN) UI has been crippled with access to the most important dialog: the Network's Status removed. The VAN UI now covers the notification area icons unnecessarily and the Metro look is out of place on the Aero desktop

    The AutoPlay dialog removes the option to always open a particular program based on the file type

    The Open With dialog breaks the NoInternetOpenWith and NoFileAssociate Group Policies and browsing for a program with the redesigned Open With dialog requires three clicks instead of just one.

    The Windows Error Reporting dialog for reporting/debugging crashes does not save the state of "View details"

    Wireless NICs no longer have in-box drivers for hosted/virtual Wi-Fi whose virtual adapter used to be automatically enabled on Windows 7

    Windows CardSpace is not installed even after installing .NET 3.0/3.5

    The keyboard shortcut for Windows Mobility Center has been removed. Previously, Win+X brought it up, now it brings up the power user context menu.

    Desktop games (no word on whether they will be included or dropped in favor of Metro-style games):
    • Chess Titans
    • FreeCell
    • Hearts
    • Solitaire
    • Spider Solitaire
    • Minesweeper
    • Mahjong Titans
    • Purble Place

    Windows DVD Maker is removed

    Windows Briefcase

    Windows Gadget Platform is intact but no gadgets to download as the online Gadget Gallery was killed for Windows Vista and Windows 7 users as well.

    Some remoting apps that use mirror drivers or some features of mirror drivers for remoting scenarios, accessibility, or desktop duplication may no longer be supported due to the changes required to be made to Desktop Window Manager.

    Some Audio Compression Manager (ACM) components are broken resulting in ACM-based apps being unable to do format conversion.

    Deprecated but not yet removed:


    Windows Backup and Restore is deprecated. Although the feature is still intact, shell integration of Backup features is removed.

    The command line tools, DiskPart.exe, DiskRAID.exe, and the Disk Management GUI are being deprecated and replaced by the WMIv2-based Windows Storage Management API with the Storage PowerShell command line utility. Dynamic Disks are being deprecated as part of this transition. (GUI for Disk Management deprecated and replaced by command line? - way to go!)

    Subsystem for UNIX-based applications is deprecated

    Some Transactional NTFS (TxF) APIs like savepoints, secondary RM, miniversion and roll forward

    PLEASE DOCUMENT THESE SOMEWHERE. What else is removed? What else is silently gone that Windows 7 had and user is not informed?????.........Anyone notice random features and options missing from Control Panels and Windows components?

    Can someone pin this topic please? I need a complete list from Microsoft, not something I have to buy RTM and discover missing features.

    If only Microsoft built Windows 8 as Windows 7 + value added OS, it would have been perfect. Limiting choice, removing options and forcing their choice on us (what they call "simplifying") is Microsoft's goal with this release. There are a few things like XPDM (XP Driver Model) etc removed but I am going to selectively list items which I consider regressions or a step back. Removal of XPDM is a good thing IMHO. Any thing you notice gone causing a regression/reduction in functionality, please report
    The only way MS is ever likely to listen is if you show with your pockets. - xpclient



    Link: Features and configuration options removed in Windows 8
    There you have it folks! Bloody software butchery if you ask me...............
    Literally, some of these features I never even knew existed. Windows Briefcase, isn't that from xp as I've NEVER seen that on 7. Some of these features are rarely used like Recent on the start menu. Wasn't even a default setting I believe on 7's start menu, it was with vista I think. Several other features are menial, like the Startup being in Task Manager and can't see what part of the registry it is. Never had to use that before, let alone my dad or any other normal user. Then most of the other "removed" features have been changed to something else. A few features that have been listed as removed aren't.

    Then the Start Screen not being able to view many items...um no. On my 1440x900 screen I can view about 65 small tiles versus a max of about 48 folder items in the All Programs list of the start menu, and this was with the menu at its maximum size. Let's not even discuss how many more items are shown in All apps either. Hot corners not being discoverable? Corners not being able to be discovered? So am I supposed to be able to see air now or something? I call BS on the Ribbon and the disk management GUI being text based. Apparently it's bad to use a text based GUI, but it's bad to use a keyboard on the Explorer Ribbon that has WAY more commands and WAY easier access to those commands than small hidden menus. How being able to customize a lock screen being a bad thing is beyond me...

    Now, let us see the list of removed features from vista or xp to 7!

    I was talking to a PC gaming friend of mine who wants to use Windows 8 as his main OS when he builds his first rig. He's read some horrid things about Windows 8 and doesn't really get why there is such a fuss about the start menu removal, when there is a better one in its place, and he said he never even used it as it was.

    Now, let us see the list of added features and other UI improvements!
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