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  1. #41


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    Quote Originally Posted by Philgates View Post
    Why has Microsoft failed? simply because no one wants these crap tiles, failed tiles which have now been bolted onto our desktop, under the all hailed Windows 8, the greatest advance since windows 95? how such a huge and successful company could have come up with this half baked monstrosity of a so called advance beggars belief. I have never nocked Microsoft since the days of win 3.1, and win95 was indeed a major advance, but to me Win8 is a massive strategy failure, but that's Microsoft's problem.
    Hindsight shows us there were a lot of reasons for the failure of Windows Phone 7. However, it was not because of a lack of interest, or that nobody wanted them.

    First, Windows Phone 7 was too little, too late. It was a huge step up from Windows Mobile 6.x, and closed a lot of ground, but it wasn't enough. There were a ton of people that were very interested in Windows Phone 7x, but they took a wait and see approach. Those that bough them, loved them. Particularly the xbox integration and other interesting features.

    Second, there were only a few models of Windows Phone 7.. there were dozens and dozens of android phones. One can argue that the iPhone only has one model, but people expect more from a licensed OS. And most of the models were not that great (hardware wise). It wasn't until the release of the Nokia Lumia's that they become competitive (hardware wise) with the competitors. Most phone manufacturers did not put a lot of effort into Windows Phone.

    Third, it leaked pretty early that Windows Phone 7.x was a deadend. You couldn't upgrade 7.x phones to Windows Phone 8, so people again took a wait and see.. despite the interest in the Lumia's.

    Things are different with Windows Phone 8. There were actually long waiting lines on opening day. There are multiple, sexy, competitive hardware models. The new Nokia's are really nice, and I am personally waiting for the Samsung Ativ (Windows phone version of the Galaxy SIII). These phones are all getting great reviews.

    Quote Originally Posted by Philgates View Post
    My problem though, was how to get this thing more efficient and objective, instead of going around the trees, or flashing back and forth between that metro crap, and desktop, first thing that had to go was the rubbish Win8 start tiles, new as soon as I Googled someone would have come up with a port for win7 Start menu, and sure as eggs Ex7ForW8, came to the rescue, now we have the Win7 start menu back, what a relief! And so the story goes on, with more hacks and ports to be searched to overcome the inadequacies of win 8, when I finally finish this project what will I have? Win 7 again, nice one Microsoft! When will you get it, no one wants your crap tiles on phones or anything else.
    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but the fact of the matter is... Everyone I know (and quite a few people on this board) that have given the start page a serious try has found that they grow to like it. But come on.. "Rubbish"? There are millions of people that disagree with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Philgates View Post
    At a time when Microsoft are failing surely they could have come up with something better for their flagship desktop, than bolting on this miserable mobile failure, which they are now being sued for copy right infringement, it's just such a missed opportunity by them, I just don't get it one bit, Have always enjoyed the Windows journey, but it's my view that Microsoft have lost their way, let's hope they employ Google Maps before the next incarnation.
    Like I said, you're entitled to your opinion. But I don't respect the opinion of people that haven't given things a fair shot. By your own admission, you raced to replace it all with plug-ins and hacks. I challenge you to try and use it seriously for a solid week.

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  2. #42


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    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Quote Originally Posted by NaySayer View Post
    "how such a huge and successful company could have come up with this half baked monstrosity of a so called advance beggars belief"

    It's a transitional OS intended to bridge the gap between tablet/smart phone users and traditional desktop users. I hear a lot of whining and complaining from people overcome by inertia and afraid of change, but the desktop is still there, so what's the problem? We all heard the same complaints when DOS went away... It's a disaster, I can't get anything done, blah blah blah.

    DOS didn't go away.

    Sure, it's not sold or supported nowadays.

    But I still use it (DOS 6.22/WfW 3.11/Office 4.5) and
    it's a fair bet I'm not alone.

    An OS doesn't become unusable just because it isn't
    supported, or is no longer mainstream.

    Windows XP, Vista, 7 and even 8 will be no exception.
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  3. #43


    NaySayer, I have never moaned before regarding any of Microsoft's previous changes, but this one really disappoints, probable on par with Win Me! They could have evolved the windows GUI in so many different directions, rather than stripping out technologies, to accommodate these miserable looking smarty squares my ten year old could have painted on! Moan over.................
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  4. #44


    Posts : 72
    Windows 8 Pro


    Phil, all they removed was the start button. It's still essentially Windows 7 under the bonnet... So I don't get what all the outcry is about.

    Don't like the Metro tiles? Install Classic Start Menu or Start8 and boot directly to the desktop. Problem solved. But the Metro interface will always be there if the need (or desire) to use Metro apps ever arises - and as skeptical as I was myself when the first Windows 8 betas came out, I now find myself using them fairly often.
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  5. #45


    That's not quite true though is it! Try dynamically resizing your icons in explorer view? You can't because it been removed, all you have is the winxp options now, progress aye!
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  6. #46


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Philgates View Post
    That's not quite true though is it! Try dynamically resizing your icons in explorer view? You can't because it been removed, all you have is the winxp options now, progress aye!
    I don't have any trouble resizing icons. Ctrl+Scroll wheel, or using Ctrl+Zoom key on a MS keyboard both work fine.
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  7. #47


    Seek and he shall find! Thanks for that tip, now to find how to put it back on the menu in explorer!........
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  8. #48


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    Explorer has never had that in the menu. It did have one of a few sizes you could choose, and that is still there in Explorer. It's on the View Ribbon, in the Layout section.
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  9. #49


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Philgates View Post
    Ok I'm back, and have read all the posts to date, and seems many are missing my point here, so just to give a background on why I feel Microsoft's recent offering is nothing but a poor market strategy reaction to the competition, I'll clarify why. And before I start, I have had no issues with getting around Win8, took me 30 minutes or so. Think it would be fair to point out too that I have some experience with IT, (MCSE) System build, hardware and software Diagnostics, etc, etc. Hands up those that have a windows phone? form an orderly cue of one! ok your not impressed, well lets give you all some facts, back in 2008, Microsoft predicted that their new up and coming mobile software technology would see a 50% increase on sales, but by 2012 (May) what actually had happened? Well it will come as no surprise to you all, that and I quote:
    Microsoft's Mobile Share Plunges 27%
    In the latest sign that Microsoft's high-stakes bet on a new, unconventional mobile platform isn't paying off, numbers released Wednesday show that Redmond's overall share of the wireless operating system market fell 27% in the first quarter, to a meager 1.9%.Analysts will watch closely to see if the Lumia is able to reverse Microsoft and Nokia's mobile slide in the second quarter. If not, some might conclude that Microsoft's Windows Phone gambit has failed.
    Why has Microsoft failed? simply because no one wants these crap tiles, failed tiles which have now been bolted onto our desktop, under the all hailed Windows 8, the greatest advance since windows 95? how such a huge and successful company could have come up with this half baked monstrosity of a so called advance beggars belief. I have never nocked Microsoft since the days of win 3.1, and win95 was indeed a major advance, but to me Win8 is a massive strategy failure, but that's Microsoft's problem.

    My problem though, was how to get this thing more efficient and objective, instead of going around the trees, or flashing back and forth between that metro crap, and desktop, first thing that had to go was the rubbish Win8 start tiles, new as soon as I Googled someone would have come up with a port for win7 Start menu, and sure as eggs Ex7ForW8, came to the rescue, now we have the Win7 start menu back, what a relief! And so the story goes on, with more hacks and ports to be searched to overcome the inadequacies of win 8, when I finally finish this project what will I have? Win 7 again, nice one Microsoft! When will you get it, no one wants your crap tiles on phones or anything else.

    At a time when Microsoft are failing surely they could have come up with something better for their flagship desktop, than bolting on this miserable mobile failure, which they are now being sued for copy right infringement, it's just such a missed opportunity by them, I just don't get it one bit, Have always enjoyed the Windows journey, but it's my view that Microsoft have lost their way, let's hope they employ Google Maps before the next incarnation.

    I raise my hand as I have a Windows Phone and love, will upgrade to the Lumia 920 early next year.

    I see VERY LITTLE reason why you associate Windows Phone to Windows 8. Yeah, Windows Phone 7 did crap compared to what Microsoft expected, because if you haven't noticed, have you EVER seen a Windows Phone advert on TV? In a wireless retail store (until about April this year)? Has anyone even heard of a Windows Phone? Nope, nope, and nope. Even right now, you probably saw an advert for the Surface TWO weeks before launch, Windows 8 is being hugely advertised even again, TWO weeks before launch and both are still being advertised heavily. It's not the phones themselves are crap, or even the UI. Seriously right now, the UI is one of the most revered part of Windows Phone, it's unique, it's different, and makes sense over these crap cheesy rounded icons with lighting effects all over the place. The metro UI of Windows Phone has been the hallmark of any Windows Phone, any review of any handsets shows that time after time. Even the Nokia Lumia series was awarded best design, as it matches beautifully with the UI. I don't know about you, but literally EVERY person I've shown my Lumia 900 to, they are always impressed it. The ones that aren't are droid or SGIII users as they're already lonely adults either way.

    But if the UI is crap on Windows Phone, then why didn't Windows Mobile 6 take lots of ground? Does no one want a crap start menu?

    I say Microsoft has found their way after the car has drifted off course and almost ran off the road. Seriously right now, they misses the mp3 player market, the tablet market, and was late to the smartphone party. Actually, they had a smartphone OS of Windows Mobile, but that suffered after the iphone and didn't have a proper response to it until Windows Phone 7 was built. They actually were going to leverage Windows Mobile 6 against android and Windows Phone 7 against the iphone until seeing WM was crap that it was. Even with Windows, NVIDIA says that people will buy a decent tablet over a cheap PC. Why? Probably touch and great battery life. If Windows 8 wasn't built the way it was built, people will start wanting a more feature set rich of things that they had from their PC on their ARM powered tablet of ios or android while Windows is still stuck on the desktop and ends up being used by tech heads that are mildly fluent with Linux. Eventually, Windows would become irrelevant, Office would probably their only cash cow, Xbox might still fair well and would have to work with ios or android or whatever OS nicely instead of Windows, because people left that for something better with a device that they find nicer over a traditional PC.

    Windows 8 is looking into the future, with a new generation of users and developers and other people that have been on Windows that like the changes, not so much people that just want to stick with Windows 7 for the rest of their lives...
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  10. #50


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Philgates View Post
    Why has Microsoft failed? simply because no one wants these crap tiles, failed tiles which have now been bolted onto our desktop, under the all hailed Windows 8, the greatest advance since windows 95? how such a huge and successful company could have come up with this half baked monstrosity of a so called advance beggars belief. I have never nocked Microsoft since the days of win 3.1, and win95 was indeed a major advance, but to me Win8 is a massive strategy failure, but that's Microsoft's problem.
    Hindsight shows us there were a lot of reasons for the failure of Windows Phone 7. However, it was not because of a lack of interest, or that nobody wanted them.

    First, Windows Phone 7 was too little, too late. It was a huge step up from Windows Mobile 6.x, and closed a lot of ground, but it wasn't enough. There were a ton of people that were very interested in Windows Phone 7x, but they took a wait and see approach. Those that bough them, loved them. Particularly the xbox integration and other interesting features.

    Second, there were only a few models of Windows Phone 7.. there were dozens and dozens of android phones. One can argue that the iPhone only has one model, but people expect more from a licensed OS. And most of the models were not that great (hardware wise). It wasn't until the release of the Nokia Lumia's that they become competitive (hardware wise) with the competitors. Most phone manufacturers did not put a lot of effort into Windows Phone.

    Third, it leaked pretty early that Windows Phone 7.x was a deadend. You couldn't upgrade 7.x phones to Windows Phone 8, so people again took a wait and see.. despite the interest in the Lumia's.

    Things are different with Windows Phone 8. There were actually long waiting lines on opening day. There are multiple, sexy, competitive hardware models. The new Nokia's are really nice, and I am personally waiting for the Samsung Ativ (Windows phone version of the Galaxy SIII). These phones are all getting great reviews.

    Quote Originally Posted by Philgates View Post
    My problem though, was how to get this thing more efficient and objective, instead of going around the trees, or flashing back and forth between that metro crap, and desktop, first thing that had to go was the rubbish Win8 start tiles, new as soon as I Googled someone would have come up with a port for win7 Start menu, and sure as eggs Ex7ForW8, came to the rescue, now we have the Win7 start menu back, what a relief! And so the story goes on, with more hacks and ports to be searched to overcome the inadequacies of win 8, when I finally finish this project what will I have? Win 7 again, nice one Microsoft! When will you get it, no one wants your crap tiles on phones or anything else.
    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but the fact of the matter is... Everyone I know (and quite a few people on this board) that have given the start page a serious try has found that they grow to like it. But come on.. "Rubbish"? There are millions of people that disagree with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Philgates View Post
    At a time when Microsoft are failing surely they could have come up with something better for their flagship desktop, than bolting on this miserable mobile failure, which they are now being sued for copy right infringement, it's just such a missed opportunity by them, I just don't get it one bit, Have always enjoyed the Windows journey, but it's my view that Microsoft have lost their way, let's hope they employ Google Maps before the next incarnation.
    Like I said, you're entitled to your opinion. But I don't respect the opinion of people that haven't given things a fair shot. By your own admission, you raced to replace it all with plug-ins and hacks. I challenge you to try and use it seriously for a solid week.
    Ahh, looks like Mystere beat me to the punch.
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