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Windows 8 First Impressions

  1. #31


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    One of the problems with people that "review" or "test" an OS in a virtual machine, is that they don't have any of their productivity apps installed. As such, they never really get a true impression of how using it on a day to day basis is. They only focus on the new stuff, not how it works with their old stuff. this leads people to wrongly conclude that the system only works with the new stuff, or to simply forget that it's more than just the new stuff.

    This leads to the conclusion of "Ok, I've tested enough. Now, let me go back to my old windows so I can be productive and get stuff done". If you truly want to test an OS, you have to have EVERYTHING you use on a daily basis in it, so you can understand how it fits into your workflow, not just how you THINK It will fit into your workflow.
    I agree. I think that's what my mistake was, not testing it as a live environment. Perhaps I should have imaged my system and done that awhile ago. Oh well, lesson learned. As it is I think the system will work fine for me. Aside from a little eye candy in the desktop (Aero and Gadgets) the system is as it was. The new color scheme is still customizable, though, so I'd say there's no loss here. Even the Metro side is less ugly to me than it was sometime back ... it kind of grows on you. Acquired taste, I guess.

    -Max

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  2. #32


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post

    One of the problems with people that "review" or "test" an OS in a virtual machine, is that they don't have any of their productivity apps installed. As such, they never really get a true impression of how using it on a day to day basis is. They only focus on the new stuff, not how it works with their old stuff. this leads people to wrongly conclude that the system only works with the new stuff, or to simply forget that it's more than just the new stuff.

    This leads to the conclusion of "Ok, I've tested enough. Now, let me go back to my old windows so I can be productive and get stuff done". If you truly want to test an OS, you have to have EVERYTHING you use on a daily basis in it, so you can understand how it fits into your workflow, not just how you THINK It will fit into your workflow.
    Exactly what I did. Used Windows 8 from day one everyday for over a year.
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  3. #33


    Posts : 61
    Windows 8 Pro


    I upgraded to Win 8 Pro the morning of release. I was shocked and floored how well the install went on my complex system. A+++

    It was a step up from any previous install on any system I've ever seen (which is all of them).

    I knew I'd be annoyed by no Start button or search frame on the left of taskbar. i doubted very much I'd like the Tile system on a desktop PC---what was the point? All those bright colors reminded me of my free and useless Microsoft "Kin" cell phone I have. (not a smart phone, but has sliding tiles). I just hoped the desktop side of it was as good or better, then Win 7. I was willing to look at this What Used to be Called Metro thing....


    The first day after the excellent and virtually perfect install (with two minor external hardware issues), I went through the annoyances of the minor differences on the desktop, but by the next day I was pleasantly surprised as I began to scratch the surface and discover all the new features coming with the thing that Used to be called Metro.

    Microsoft has really thought this one ahead. It's a visionary OS.

    Those griping IMO, oughta relax and realize that for many people, this system will be the replacement for Apple as welll as Win 7.

    I use an IPAD and it's a nice for lying in bed and readin forums etc. but it's a very dumbed down toy, but Win 8 Pro will kill it on tablets. The integration MS has planned on here is massive and takes the whole OS thing into another dimension.

    Everytime i click the charms I find something new.

    Granted the timing out trying to log into the store or with the APP is still a mess, but that will iron out now that people at large are using the system.

    What this system makes me want to do now, is go ahead and max out my ram, from 8 to 24 gigs, (even if its not useful yet) pick up the latest, greatest Nvidia GTX 690 card, maybe upgrade my 3 year old motherboard and finally add a panoramic display setup. Then down the road I'll get a tablet and give the IPAD to my 89 year old mother to look up her crossword puzzle clues.

    Every time i look deeper into Win 8 I find more features and things improvements over the old hat Win destop and i am sure they will keep improving it bigtime. The old Win 7 type desktop is just training wheels and will go the way of the plow.

    Visually Win 8 What used to be called Metro, is amazing. My desktop Icon mess that is always filling my 27" screen is now neatly organized by Win 8 in sliding tiles. So utterly cool.

    I think the negativity some have about the new OS will melt away. After a few service packs with even more features and as the new hardware comes out I think we will see a continuation of MS dominance.


    Some Third Party vendors might drag their feet having to keep up with MS again, but so what.

    Now MS has to straighten out the network time-outs and broken APPS (whats up with this Microsoft Maps? among many others I've tried) will not cut it. But this is a revolutionary system and it is expected it will have growing pains.


    BTW: I think we should just call the thing that used to be called Metro, "Surface."
    Last edited by rialcnis; 02 Nov 2012 at 01:34.
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  4. #34


    Posts : 7
    Windows 8


    Installed windows 8 last week, and find it great.

    Windows 8 is part of Microsoft's strategy to reconquer the mobile (phones and tablets) and web/cloud based realms, in which it hasn't really been competitive these past years. They're going after both Apple and Google, and imho they're doing it right.

    One of the ways they're doing it is by unifying the user experience between all platforms, see outlook.com and the metro interface (which is present on all platforms). Bing has also been greatly improved, offering all the functionalities Google does. Apparently Office 2013 will seamlessly integrate with the cloud, whether you use it on the desktop (my preferred usage), or through web based interfaces, in a direct confrontation with google apps. And SkyDrive becomes the personal cloud based storage space for all this.

    Windows 8 on the desktop probably depends on how you set it up.
    I set it up as a real desktop solution, switched all default file types to desktop apps, mainly windows desktop graphics viewer, and VLC for multimedia files, removed all the metro apps I don't care about (weather, stocks, and all those things...), and basically turned the start screen into a start menu. Don't feel the need for a third party stat menu, and don't have any problems with the metro interface whatsoever.
    And that works fine for me, but it's probably a question of personal preferences.
    It's just like windows 7, only better.

    On an ARM tablet or phone I would be using the metro interface of course, but as long as it synchronizes with the cloud and my desktop apps can synchronize with it too (through SkyDrive probably).. I'm fine with that. I have an IPhone, but when I have to/want to change phones I will seriously be considering a windows phone, that's for sure... it may come down to what apps are available on windows 8 phone by then (what's the official name ? windows 8 phone is kind of long). IPhone's advantage is the apps imho, a lot of good apps are only on iphone, most NASA apps are only for iphone for example.

    In my view Windows 8 on the desktop offers you the choice, use it as a desktop solution, as a metro solution, or as a mixed solution, whatever fits your needs and wants best. In any case you can benefit from the unification of the platforms and cloud based solutions. And Microsoft has pushed this unification father than Apple ever has by offering us the choice of user experience (desktop, metro, or mixed) on the PC.
    Can't stand Apple's control freak approach to personal computing, and that's what I like about Windows, you always have the choice... and if you don't want choices being made for you... ;-)
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  5. #35


    DeLand, FL
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    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Although I'm happy with Win8 on my laptop at the moment I'm not to the point where I think it will replace my iPhones and iPad. I have quite a bit invested in the Apple infrastructure right now as far as content goes - purchased books, music and apps. I'm also not going to force yet another GUI change on my wife, or myself for that matter. We're both very pleased with the way the iPhone works. Switching to a Microsoft phone would be nuts ... even if it was equivalent or better. Let's just throw away all the apps and learning time on the iPhone just because we want to be on Microsoft? Not going to happen.

    Since I AM a Windows developer, though, it makes sense for me to extend my platform that I've built my career around and learn to write to Metro. I may buy a "Surface" for that reason but not as a replacement for the infrastructure I already have. Apple and Microsoft are just going to have to co-exist in my house. They both have something to offer.

    -Max
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  6. #36


    Posts : 99
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64


    Took me 20 minutes or so to find everything I need. Right-clicking the bottom-left corner gets you most of the programs you'll be using to maintain the OS. It's not unintuitive at all. The desktop is exactly the same as 7, minus a start button, and it's generally faster than 7. Navigating Metro is not a hassle at all if you take time to actually learn the interface.

    I'm just getting tired of people saying, "Oh its a tablet os that was designed for tablets and has desktop features tacked on". That is not the case. I can get around just as fast, or faster, than I did in 7. If they half-assed the desktop aspect, they did a pretty good job.
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  7. #37


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    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono View Post
    Took me 20 minutes or so to find everything I need. Right-clicking the bottom-left corner gets you most of the programs you'll be using to maintain the OS. It's not unintuitive at all. The desktop is exactly the same as 7, minus a start button, and it's generally faster than 7. Navigating Metro is not a hassle at all if you take time to actually learn the interface.

    I'm just getting tired of people saying, "Oh its a tablet os that was designed for tablets and has desktop features tacked on". That is not the case. I can get around just as fast, or faster, than I did in 7. If they half-assed the desktop aspect, they did a pretty good job.
    My impression exactly. I don't miss the start button at all. The desktop is exactly the way it was before I upgraded it otherwise. It "just works".

    -Max
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  8. #38


    Ok I'm back, and have read all the posts to date, and seems many are missing my point here, so just to give a background on why I feel Microsoft's recent offering is nothing but a poor market strategy reaction to the competition, I'll clarify why. And before I start, I have had no issues with getting around Win8, took me 30 minutes or so. Think it would be fair to point out too that I have some experience with IT, (MCSE) System build, hardware and software Diagnostics, etc, etc. Hands up those that have a windows phone? form an orderly cue of one! ok your not impressed, well lets give you all some facts, back in 2008, Microsoft predicted that their new up and coming mobile software technology would see a 50% increase on sales, but by 2012 (May) what actually had happened? Well it will come as no surprise to you all, that and I quote:
    Microsoft's Mobile Share Plunges 27%
    In the latest sign that Microsoft's high-stakes bet on a new, unconventional mobile platform isn't paying off, numbers released Wednesday show that Redmond's overall share of the wireless operating system market fell 27% in the first quarter, to a meager 1.9%.Analysts will watch closely to see if the Lumia is able to reverse Microsoft and Nokia's mobile slide in the second quarter. If not, some might conclude that Microsoft's Windows Phone gambit has failed.
    Why has Microsoft failed? simply because no one wants these crap tiles, failed tiles which have now been bolted onto our desktop, under the all hailed Windows 8, the greatest advance since windows 95? how such a huge and successful company could have come up with this half baked monstrosity of a so called advance beggars belief. I have never knocked Microsoft since the days of win 3.1, and win95 was indeed a major advance, but to me Win8 is a massive strategy failure, but that's Microsoft's problem.

    My problem though, was how to get this thing more efficient and objective, instead of going around the trees, or flashing back and forth between that metro crap, and desktop, first thing that had to go was the rubbish Win8 start tiles, new as soon as I Googled someone would have come up with a port for win7 Start menu, and sure as eggs Ex7ForW8, came to the rescue, now we have the Win7 start menu back, what a relief! And so the story goes on, with more hacks and ports to be searched to overcome the inadequacies of win 8, when I finally finish this project what will I have? Win 7 again, nice one Microsoft! When will you get it, no one wants your crap tiles on phones or anything else.

    At a time when Microsoft are failing surely they could have come up with something better for their flagship desktop, than bolting on this miserable mobile failure, which they are now being sued for copy right infringement, it's just such a missed opportunity by them, I just don't get it one bit, Have always enjoyed the Windows journey, but it's my view that Microsoft have lost their way, let's hope they employ Google Maps before the next incarnation.

    Last edited by Philgates; 20 Nov 2012 at 12:24.
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  9. #39


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Good post Philgates
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  10. #40


    Posts : 72
    Windows 8 Pro


    "how such a huge and successful company could have come up with this half baked monstrosity of a so called advance beggars belief"

    It's a transitional OS intended to bridge the gap between tablet/smart phone users and traditional desktop users. I hear a lot of whining and complaining from people overcome by inertia and afraid of change, but the desktop is still there, so what's the problem? We all heard the same complaints when DOS went away... It's a disaster, I can't get anything done, blah blah blah.
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