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Windows 8 First Impressions

  1. #11


    I actually think that for many, Windows 8 will be fine and many people will simply tolerate and adjust to it. The average home user who buys a new PC, gets Windows 8 and is unhappy is not likely going to say, "hmmm, perhaps it's time to download and use Linux instead".

    I take the time to write out my posts because I am passionate about technology and love using technology. I want people to realize that I'm not just an MS hater who will hate any and everything they do. I don't just read that WIndows is bad and join the bandwagon. And I'm tired of people saying that those of us who don't like Windows 8 and complain are simply wrong, don't understand or simply don't want to change. I'm bothered by the fact that some people cannot understand that some of us have differing computer needs and that we might have evaluated the product wearing different glasses and thus have a different opinion than they do. Remember, I've never said that those who like WIndows 8 are wrong, I've just maintained that it's not for me. I debate the issues because I'm wllling to keep and open mind and change my opinion if the circumstances change.

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    But if I'm the end user and I'm slower using this new system...how is it not less productive? If these new metro apps barely work or take lots of time to figure out, how is this more productive.
    I was at a best buy the other day, the Apple person asked me if I wanted to learn how to use it. I said no (to Apple training). If you don't want to learn or cannot learn how to use 8 and multi task effectively, then that is your problem. Don't use apps that have issues. You don't have to use metro apps at all unless you want to. Is there anyone forcing you to use a metro app? (not the UI) It is unfair to compare work productivity with home use. Getting your facebook issues resolved is not really relevant to work productivity.
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  3. #13


    Posts : 80
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I actually think that for many, Windows 8 will be fine and many people will simply tolerate and adjust to it. The average home user who buys a new PC, gets Windows 8 and is unhappy is not likely going to say, "hmmm, perhaps it's time to download and use Linux instead".

    I take the time to write out my posts because I am passionate about technology and love using technology. I want people to realize that I'm not just an MS hater who will hate any and everything they do. I don't just read that WIndows is bad and join the bandwagon. And I'm tired of people saying that those of us who don't like Windows 8 and complain are simply wrong, don't understand or simply don't want to change. I'm bothered by the fact that some people cannot understand that some of us have differing computer needs and that we might have evaluated the product wearing different glasses and thus have a different opinion than they do. Remember, I've never said that those who like WIndows 8 are wrong, I've just maintained that it's not for me. I debate the issues because I'm wllling to keep and open mind and change my opinion if the circumstances change.
    Er, I doubt the average average user knows what Linux is or knows how to burn an .iso. And Ubuntu is still a waste of time for me. I still have to edit fstab and add noatime for my SSD, and if I want maximum versatility I still have to manually mount all my HDDs. In 2012. I'm pretty certain Linux will always be a fringe OS.
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  4. #14


    Windows 7 + 24.99 = Windows 8
    I honestly think Microsoft has run out of ideas.. every couple of years they are coming out with a new Windows in order to keep hundreds of their people in employment and make billions in profit "The wheel is still the same shape after thousand of years" so Windows is still Windows what ever you call it.So for curiosity I paid the money and played with Windows 8 for a few hours..I think it is worth it ( otherwise I would have spent more in the pub Getting rid of the Start button was a bad idea so I downloaded a free program called "Start Menu X" (a better one from Windows Start) and "Gadgets Pack" So I got my Windows 7 desktop back..Therefore I don't understand why people wants to go back to Windows 7 because in a nut shell Windows 8 is no worse than Windows 7..it is a bit better..there are some nice touches to it if you study it carefully and it is a bit faster and more secure. Why people hate Metro so much ??? It will entertain your kids for hours...if you don't want to see it you can get rid of it with one click..but DO NOT mess about with registry in order to tweak Windows 8..it will give you problems without you realising .So you bought an icecream with a chocolate bar on top of it..if you don't like chocolate keep it for the kids, just eat the icecream
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  5. #15


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    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    You know ... I downloaded Win8 Pro yesterday and did an upgrade install to my system because I had nothing better to do yesterday. At that point my position was that the product was of no use to me but I was doing it to be fair. I had tested it for about a year (on and off) in VM's. Now that I've been running it for the last 24 hours and it's settling down I'm beginning to understand just a little.

    At the very least the system works as well as my Win7 system did. The upgrade handled everything I have installed and everything is working so no need to do a rebuild. (I'm a developer so I have a TON of things on the system - it takes me days to settle a new box down).

    The desktop isn't nearly as flat and gray as I felt it was when I looked at the RP. All the "themes" I had built were seamlessly moved over and the bordering on the windows takes on the color of the theme, not just gray. It's not at-all bad. I thought I'd miss "Aero" but I really don't.

    As for Metro ... I'm not likely to use it heavily but, at the same time, I've downloaded a few freebies - news readers, Netflix and stuff like that. I have to say that they work just fine. Something I didn't expect, though: "Hanging Out" over in the Metro to read a news story or watch a movie is really kind of relaxing. When I jump over there the desktop stays exactly the way I left it but I kind of "put it away" to go relax. A dimension of the system that I had not considered. I don't know if MS intended anything like that but to me it's turning out to be like two systems in one: my workplace in the desktop and a place I can go relax in the Metro.

    Weird, huh? I was SO against this one, too. I'm finding I actually like the thing - and since all my tools run fine in it I've lost nothing. I did this originally just to "review" the thing in a live environment for a few friends that asked. I had my Win7 system all imaged on the backup drive fully intending to restore it after I got done evaluating the thing. As it turns out I think I'll keep it.

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  6. #16


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    But if I'm the end user and I'm slower using this new system...how is it not less productive? If these new metro apps barely work or take lots of time to figure out, how is this more productive.
    I was at a best buy the other day, the Apple person asked me if I wanted to learn how to use it. I said no (to Apple training). If you don't want to learn or cannot learn how to use 8 and multi task effectively, then that is your problem.
    Right, but I can multi task effectively with Windows 7 without having to upgrade to 8.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Don't use apps that have issues. You don't have to use metro apps at all unless you want to. Is there anyone forcing you to use a metro app? (not the UI)
    No, I don't have to use these apps. At the present time though, without the new apps, the new UI doesn't provide me much in terms on tangible benefits either. So, I can easily live without some of the other advantages of Windows 8, so i can live happily on Windows 7. It's quite possible that others might feel exactly the same way. It's possible that by my explaining it, might make a person reconsider their decision to upgrade their own home machine as they realize they are more like me than you. Thus, explaining my perceived shortcomings of these apps could help somebody else and that is why I do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    It is unfair to compare work productivity with home use. Getting your facebook issues resolved is not really relevant to work productivity.
    Do you know what you are doing?
    Why is this unfair? Do you know how I work with my computer at home. My home and my work productivity are very similar. I'm a systems admin and I run and test similar things in my home lab and at work.

    Facebook was just my example above, there could be many other things that cause issues as well. And I do use Facebook for work purposes. I have many friends and colleagues that I contact via Facebook soliciting advice, opinions or experiences. Same reasons why using this forum is ok for work too. I learn from here and apply to work.
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  7. #17


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere
    a subsystem that stays entirely out of your way if you don't use any metro apps.
    Not completely. You still need to click the Desktop Tile on Metro before starting to work. (unless you install a third party software)
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks
    One doesn't have to just come to this site to see that more than just a "small subset of very vocal people" don't like Windows 8. It's not 100% unanimous either, but it's certainly not just a teeny tiny minority of people who don't like it.
    I think poeple learned more how to use W8 as a normal Windows OS and not be stuck in Metro as originaly tried by the pundits who tested it and badly reported about it. W8 is accepted to the extend you can use it as you did with previous versions of Windows.
    Let's see in 6 months the stats that shows the daily use of Metro... (Not now because now everybody is testing it). I guess that less than 1% will use it other than to launch a desktop application. If they still use Metro to launch Desktop apps, which makes no sens whatsoever.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    As for Metro ... I'm not likely to use it heavily but, at the same time, I've downloaded a few freebies - news readers, Netflix and stuff like that. I have to say that they work just fine. Something I didn't expect, though: "Hanging Out" over in the Metro to read a news story or watch a movie is really kind of relaxing. When I jump over there the desktop stays exactly the way I left it but I kind of "put it away" to go relax. A dimension of the system that I had not considered. I don't know if MS intended anything like that but to me it's turning out to be like two systems in one: my workplace in the desktop and a place I can go relax in the Metro.
    It's sort of like the old Unix Virtual Desktops, or Mac's "Spaces". Although both of those allow you to have virtual screens with any app.

    You're absolutely right, it leaves everything on your desktop alone. No need to rearrange anything. no need to minimize or maximize windows. Windows don't pop up over things. It is "simpler", though some would argue it's too simple. That works really well from some kinds of apps, like media players, or readers, where you get rid of all the distractions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Weird, huh? I was SO against this one, too. I'm finding I actually like the thing - and since all my tools run fine in it I've lost nothing. I did this originally just to "review" the thing in a live environment for a few friends that asked. I had my Win7 system all imaged on the backup drive fully intending to restore it after I got done evaluating the thing. As it turns out I think I'll keep it.
    One of the problems with people that "review" or "test" an OS in a virtual machine, is that they don't have any of their productivity apps installed. As such, they never really get a true impression of how using it on a day to day basis is. They only focus on the new stuff, not how it works with their old stuff. this leads people to wrongly conclude that the system only works with the new stuff, or to simply forget that it's more than just the new stuff.

    This leads to the conclusion of "Ok, I've tested enough. Now, let me go back to my old windows so I can be productive and get stuff done". If you truly want to test an OS, you have to have EVERYTHING you use on a daily basis in it, so you can understand how it fits into your workflow, not just how you THINK It will fit into your workflow.
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  9. #19


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere
    a subsystem that stays entirely out of your way if you don't use any metro apps.
    Not completely. You still need to click the Desktop Tile on Metro before starting to work. (unless you install a third party software)
    Once again. The Start Screen is *NOT* Metro. It's part of Windows Explorer. It just *LOOKS* like metro.

    There are at least two different ways to go directly to the desktop on boot, documented here:

    How to Boot to the Desktop in Windows 8 & Skip the Start Screen | 7 Tutorials
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  10. #20


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    I am sorry, but to me this is just another parrot piece. . .
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