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Are you happy with Metro being on Windows 8 Desktop?

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  1. #21


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I don't care for it. On a tablet or touchscreen it would probably be fine, on my desktop or laptop, it's simply a nuisance.
    +1

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  2. #22


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    And why do we need this? Why not make the apps Windows compatible? Why Metro-only apps? Why a separate workspace? Why a separate workspace subsystem? Why an UI in the UI? Didn't we have DOS for the same effect? Weren't we happy when finaly all DOS apps were replaced by Windows apps? Why returning the DOS look-alike model 20 years later?
    Because it's impossible to make Win32 apps be compatible on an ARM processor. Because Win32 apps that use menus and tiny toolbar buttons don't work on touch interfaces. Because clicking and dragging windows around a screen doesn't work well in a touch interface.
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  3. #23


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    You will have trouble removing it.

    Ms have deliberately infiltrated the thing so it is difficult to get rid of.

    It started after the WDP release - I think they saw most were using the desktop and ignoring metro - they panicked and with successive builds they starting spreading metro like a terminal disease.

    No need for it - the reason people were ignoring it in WDP was there was nothing much to use it for - but they misunderstood the telemetry.


    Quote Originally Posted by Denton View Post
    I don't understand the purpose of Metro at all.
    Why didn't they just make it a desktop integration/modification that displays fancy icons and widgets? What's the point of running it on TOP of an existing desktop and applications?
    It's clear that its solely aimed at mobile devices and serves little purpose in a desktop environment.

    If it was possible to completely disable and remove it, I would.
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  4. #24


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    Because it is made for a glorified phone.

    It is not made with desktop users as a priority.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    And why do we need this? Why not make the apps Windows compatible? Why Metro-only apps? Why a separate workspace? Why a separate workspace subsystem? Why an UI in the UI? Didn't we have DOS for the same effect? Weren't we happy when finaly all DOS apps were replaced by Windows apps? Why returning the DOS look-alike model 20 years later?
    Because it's impossible to make Win32 apps be compatible on an ARM processor. Because Win32 apps that use menus and tiny toolbar buttons don't work on touch interfaces. Because clicking and dragging windows around a screen doesn't work well in a touch interface.
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  5. #25


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Denton View Post
    I don't understand the purpose of Metro at all.
    Why didn't they just make it a desktop integration/modification that displays fancy icons and widgets? What's the point of running it on TOP of an existing desktop and applications?
    Metro is not just a "feature" like the Gadgets in Windows 7. This is the thing most people don't understand.

    Metro is an entirely new operating system. It runs side-by-side with the old Windows. It's not just some simple API they added on to things. This is the first step in migrating the application base to the new platform that will work across different CPU's and architectures (Phone, Tablet, and PC).

    This being the "first step", it's not as mature as Win32 is (the traditional OS) and it will take some time to mature. Microsoft chose to do this "dual OS" route rather than do the route that Apple did, when they converted everyone from PowerPC to x86 (that used emulation). Using the apple approach would mean that existing performance applications, like games, would probably run 10x slower, and use a LOT more resources.

    Quote Originally Posted by Denton View Post
    It's clear that its solely aimed at mobile devices and serves little purpose in a desktop environment.

    If it was possible to completely disable and remove it, I would.
    No, it's not aimed solely at mobile devices. It's aimed at *ALL* devices. It's a UI that works for everything.

    The problem most people have is that it's not the same as they are used to, so they conclude that it's not aimed at desktops because, in their mind, the old UI is the only way a desktop can work. That's simply not the case. I have asked this question of a lot of people, and nobody can ever give me a straight answer about how the UI is so unusable on a desktop. They always talk about how it's not usable with a keyboard and mouse, which is totally false. it's very usable with a keyboard and mouse.

    The only argument, in my mind, that is valid is the full screen one. And while I agree that it's not ideal, it's not a deal breaker. Most of my apps are WIn32 apps, and that will continue to be the case for a long time to come. But I still like Metro and can see the potential there.

    Think of it like this. Other than the start screen (which, by the way, most people think is Metro.. it's not, it just LOOKS like metro, it's actually a Win32 app), I think of Metro apps the same way I would think of a video game emulation console, or a virtual machine.

    I really don't understand the "I want to get rid of it" mentality. If you don't use any metro apps, you never have to use Metro. But it's there if you want it. It's completely out of the way and won't interfere with you or anything if you don't want to use it.

    If you don't like the new start menu, that's fine. But the start menu is *NOT* metro. It's a Win32 app that has been styled to look like Metro.
    Mystere, I must say, a great post and great thesis. You have explained 8 better than anyone ever so far. My hat off to you, sir!

    mdmd, are you paying attention? You're good indeed, but I think as long as it Mystere is around you'll be second best. Can anyone name the movie?....
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  6. #26


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    mdmd, are you paying attention? You're good indeed, but I think as long as it Mystere is around you'll be second best. Can anyone name the movie?....
    I am. Don't believe I am anything. My days of writing code in Report Program Generator, COBOL, Assembly, Pascal, Basic and C++ are long since over. My experience is understanding how a CPU and motherboard work. ... If that were not complex enough, I am unable to convince anyone that Windows 8 is a good thing.
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  7. #27


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    I still like this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by 8Nation View Post
    This symbiosis of characteristics had to be intentional on the part of Microsoft engineers because the interface works so cleanly , all while the desktop offers the user the familiar interface and full-fledged applications we have all come to know and love for sit down productivity sessions.

    The Microsoft Apps market, like the Android and Apple Markets, provide the user with the casual apps one would need for things like weather, news, sport highlights and gaming.

    The two environments function as one to a point where they flow together in a way that forces one to forget that the OS is still just Windows. The user is engulfed by the experience once the learning curve has been achieved.
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  8. #28


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    Why returning the DOS look-alike model 20 years later?
    I used to like DOS. It was fast. After the BIOS post, what was it, 2 seconds?
    Perhaps the billions of errors like these has a little to do with it.

    Attachment 10359

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    this is so funny like if DOS never crash

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  9. #29


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    this is so funny like if DOS never crash
    I never said DOS didn't crash. Curious what would cause that, however. Was that image taken from a DOS box Windowed inside a GUI? Who said DOS never crashed? There were always issues when trying to write to disk that was not allowed. I think the point is that WinRT may be a direction to get MS away from the Windows NT model. There seems to be too many errors. Something is wrong. Either users are messing up or there are too many incompatibilities. Also, MS systems are not perfect. Apple is not perfect. UNIX is not perfect.
    Metro is a controversial topic.
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  10. #30


    I am. Don't believe I am anything. My days of writing code in Report Program Generator, COBOL, Assembly, Pascal, Basic and C++ are long since over. My experience is understanding how a CPU and motherboard work. ... If that were not complex enough, I am unable to convince anyone that Windows 8 is a good thing.
    Some how I always get myself into this kind of mess. A bad habit of mine. I speak before I think, therefore I post before I think. I read Mystyres's post and immediately thought of you. My sincere apology comparing you to anyone. You are unique in every way. Please forgive me.

    Yes. We are not here to convince anyone of anything. Each human being is unique in there perspective. But, I love a great debate!

    Thanks for pointing out 8Nation's post. A great statement indeed! Realistic and poetic.
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