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  1. #11


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Yeah I finally caved in and one thing that has blown me away is it opens Office 2010 excel in about half a second flat. On W7 it takes 12 seconds to open. And I use it a lot. WinLiveMail and Nero also opened in record time. Miss Free Cell though.
    Are you sure that office isn't getting preloaded in the background at boot time and was disabled in 7? I am not seeing any type of performance benefit like this.
    Good point. I never thought of that. Running msconfig, the selective start up option is pre-set and it tells you to use Task Manager to see what's included in selective start. Office 10 is not shown there, unless it is hidden in another place? However, going from 12 seconds to almost instant is too good to be true unless it is preloaded.

    I'll try running Office 10 included in W7 selective start and see how fast it opens.
    I noticed the speed too.
    Checked all in msconfig and CCleaner and didn't see any office entries.

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  2. #12


    Quote Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
    Welcome to the light, we have cookies
    Fresh out of the oven like Mom used to make. Were those happy days or what?!!

    To parallel John Lennon -> All we are saying -> Is give 8 a chance.

    Thanks to all for your honest evaluation!
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  3. #13


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Thanks for the input guys re solitaire. Unfortunately with the hacked Orb start menu which I use all the time, 'Metro' is switched off, so unless apps can be saved and used in desktop it wouldn't work for me.

    There are only three games that rely purely on user skill and not where you're playing against programmed random responses. And they are: Freecell, Chess and Reversi. I've noticed in games like Backgammon, even when you're playing another live player, the computer will often generate a repeat throw of the dice for an 18:1 shot, three times in a row - the proability of that happening being 1 in 5,832. Other times it will put your marble in goal, and leave you there for 7 or 8 throws of dice, with two dice in each throw, when you have a 3:1 chance of getting out in your favor. Or there will be two numbers that will stop you getting out, and you throw those same two numbers, or a double of one of them, three or even four times in a row. Any statistician would die laughing, and the sp bookies would go broke with long shots like that coming in.
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  4. #14


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Yeah I finally caved in and one thing that has blown me away is it opens Office 2010 excel in about half a second flat. On W7 it takes 12 seconds to open. And I use it a lot. WinLiveMail and Nero also opened in record time. Miss Free Cell though.
    Are you sure that office isn't getting preloaded in the background at boot time and was disabled in 7? I am not seeing any type of performance benefit like this.
    Office has never been loaded at boot time. This is one of those myths that never seems to go away.

    There was something called OSA, or Office Startup Assistant. What this did was pre-initialize OLE automation, and a couple of fonts used by office. This did improve startup performance, but it is nowhere close to "preloading office". OLE automation is (or at least was) used by a lot of apps, so OSA helped them as well.

    OSA hasn't been in Office since.. at least Office XP.. might have even been office 97 was the last version.
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  5. #15


    get office 2013 its got alot of new features that are pretty nice
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  6. #16


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Office has never been loaded at boot time. This is one of those myths that never seems to go away.
    Well, on my Windows 7 box at work running Office 2010, when I run msconfig and check Startup, I see an try labeled Microsoft Office 2010. In looking at the actual program file entries, I see it's just a sharepoint sync and a documents sync. But I could see that confusing a lot of people to think that components are loaded.

    Something must be happening in the backside though. I cannot believe that Office used to take 12 seconds to load on Windows 7 and is now 1/2 a second on Windows 8. That's a 24x improvement.
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  7. #17


    Quote Originally Posted by Snipzors View Post
    get office 2013 its got alot of new features that are pretty nice
    Yeah, but it's more money to spend. Especially if you have a Business or Professional version of Office for Outlook. And it's also not available yet outside of MSDN or Technet or Preview.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 79
    Win8.1 Pro 64bit


    This is one area I find fascinating. People are really conservative with their OS. I can change and adapt in this area pretty easily. While in politics people can jump ship and jump on a bandwagon in blink of an eye.
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  9. #19


    i think maybe the load issue has to do with the cache properties of win 8 vs win 7, as well i noticed win 8 allocated 10GB?? for virtual memory according to taskman
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  10. #20


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    It could also be that my current load of W7 has become quite bloated. Although this is after runnig various cleaning programs, including registry, temp file, etc, etc.

    Will reload bare bones Acronis image of OS on W7 and load only office and see how that opens up after boot.

    Normally when I boot up I just hit the start button and go away and make a coffee and come back and it's up and running. Last time I measured time from pusing start button to desktop being fully functional, it took about 28 seconds. I just remeasured it and it's now up to 87 seconds, so seems it's time for a fresh install. Something's gumming up the works.

    My son is a qualified computer techo, and licenced MS installer, having worked a full year in a national government run Computer Department to train techos with hands on experience with real time problems, not theoreticals. He told me the senior training officer was an ex Microsoft senior techo, and his favorite statement was: "Too hard to trouble shoot ... easier to reload!"
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