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Windows 8 thoughts & opinions: incomplete?

  1. #21


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    You're confusing static links with Application tiles. Those tiles don't magically update on their own, they need an application behind them to do so. There is no Facebook app for Metro yet. When there is, i'm sure it will include the notifications and other things you're looking for. But it's unreasonable to expect pinning a generic link to the start menu to function like an app.

    If you want to change the icon, then you change it in the link. When you pin the link it takes on the appearance of the icon associated with the link.

    By the way, there's a feature in the desktop version of IE that lets you directly add a page to the start screen (and the page can somewhat customize the browser as well). click on the gear icon and choose Add to Start Menu.

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  2. #22


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    I was countered in that Youtube stops once minimized, because "it's a video streaming site, why would you want to stream video minimized". Now although this is a really bad answer, and most of Youtube is music, here's another example. Open a streaming radio station or music media, then open the start menu. Your music will stop. So I'm forced to either download a radio app (which some of my internet sites don't have apps for) or use Zune.
    Youtube is a video streaming site that just so happens to play audio. It's designed to WATCH movies, not listen to music. Lots of people have uploaded music, but they have to attach video to it in order to do that.

    I have heard others talk about radio apps stopping when opening the start menu. I do not have that problem. I think it's also related to your broken install.

    I have just attempted to duplicate this, and failed.

    Everything seems just fine here (8 Enterprise 64-bit).

    Both radio anf YouTube continue to play, whether
    minimised or when on the Start Screen.

    I fear that Mystere is correct re the broken install.
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  3. #23


    Posts : 28
    Windows 7 ultimate


    Quote Originally Posted by 8Nation View Post
    Advanced functionality is now just a right click or a pressand hold. Goodbye Tablet and laptop Hello Windows 8 Slate.
    Please, go to your start screen and right click on your internet browser tab. Tell me where the "advanced functionality" is there. Windows 8 is the proverbial butterknife, and most of the computing audience are surgeons, or at least nurses. I feel as though I can't do anything in Windows 8... And did you really just make a profile on this site just to post that?
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  4. #24


    Posts : 28
    Windows 7 ultimate


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    You're confusing static links with Application tiles.
    I'm not confusing apps with static tiles, such as bookmarks. I'm saying that bookmarks are DECADES old, and that by now if I want to pin a website to my home screen it should come with a little more than a grayed out icon of my internet browser as the tile face! Windows 8 is tile based, everything about this OS is tiles, yet they are unforgivably bad! Unless they've been made by a professional and put onto the market place, where you can either purchase them or download them like I would on my phone, they aren't even tiles! It's a mockery, and I wouldn't even be happy with it on my phone!

    My windows phone can add google to the start screen. In which case it pins a google logo to the start screen, and opens into the search bar nicely. It doesn't just put an internet explorer link there!! Don't you see what I'm trying to convey here? I was able to make bookmarks and pin them to my desktop when I was 12! By now I should be able to do so much more, especially when everything is about tiles!

    Windows 7 was getting to the point where you could manipulate and work a program without even having it on the screen, but just by hovering your mouse over it on the task bar. The menu would pop up asking you what you'd like to do with said application. Windows 8 is taking 3,000 steps BACKWARDS and making it completely un-user friendly, and so that you have to open everything to try and glean the settings and options from it.
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  5. #25


    Posts : 28
    Windows 7 ultimate


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    I was countered in that Youtube stops once minimized, because "it's a video streaming site, why would you want to stream video minimized". Now although this is a really bad answer, and most of Youtube is music, here's another example. Open a streaming radio station or music media, then open the start menu. Your music will stop. So I'm forced to either download a radio app (which some of my internet sites don't have apps for) or use Zune.
    Youtube is a video streaming site that just so happens to play audio. It's designed to WATCH movies, not listen to music. Lots of people have uploaded music, but they have to attach video to it in order to do that.

    I have heard others talk about radio apps stopping when opening the start menu. I do not have that problem. I think it's also related to your broken install.

    I have just attempted to duplicate this, and failed.

    Everything seems just fine here (8 Enterprise 64-bit).

    Both radio anf YouTube continue to play, whether
    minimised or when on the Start Screen.

    I fear that Mystere is correct re the broken install.

    There's a vital difference here. If you use your browser from the desktop and open the media there, it will continue to play. If you, however, open your browser through the app in the start screen, it opens as an app, and will close when minimized. That is my problem, not the desktop version. As I stated earlier, if I wanted to use the desktop versions of things, and play around in the desktop, I'd have kept Windows 7. I want to use the start menu for things, and get it working properly, not the desktop.
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  6. #26


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Ahhh.. ok... I thought you had real issues you wanted to resolve, not that you are upset that Microsoft didn't magically read your mind and develop and OS exactly as you wanted it to be (not that you bothered to tell them anyways).

    Your complaints seem to stem down to that fact that it is simultaneously different and the same, but both of these seem to be different and the same in ways you are not happy about. You complain that it doesn't do things any other os does. If you are so good at designing OS's, maybe you should take a crack it yourself.

    Metro is a version 1 thing. Windows 1 was not perfect. Windows 95 was not perfect. Windows XP was not perfect. This isn't perfect either, but each successive version got better. You're comparing Metro to Win32, which is where the breakdown occurs. Metro is NOT the next version of Win32. It's a completely new OS that is growing from the ground up.

    Maybe a future version will have desktop enhancements for those using it on a desktop, but version 1 means getting it all working on all devices. This is how software development works.
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  7. #27


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Ah, sorry, Jayoneseven, I misunderstood your problem.

    My bad....:-(
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  8. #28


    Posts : 28
    Windows 7 ultimate


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Ahhh.. ok... I thought you had real issues you wanted to resolve, not that you are upset that Microsoft didn't magically read your mind and develop and OS exactly as you wanted it to be (not that you bothered to tell them anyways).

    Your complaints seem to stem down to that fact that it is simultaneously different and the same, but both of these seem to be different and the same in ways you are not happy about. You complain that it doesn't do things any other os does. If you are so good at designing OS's, maybe you should take a crack it yourself.

    Metro is a version 1 thing. Windows 1 was not perfect. Windows 95 was not perfect. Windows XP was not perfect. This isn't perfect either, but each successive version got better. You're comparing Metro to Win32, which is where the breakdown occurs. Metro is NOT the next version of Win32. It's a completely new OS that is growing from the ground up.

    Maybe a future version will have desktop enhancements for those using it on a desktop, but version 1 means getting it all working on all devices. This is how software development works.

    Dude look... if I went out tomorrow and spent money on a new mac, because I'm a fan of the phones, and when it arived it's screen looked like this:
    Click image for larger version

    And the only apps I could really get on it, other than butchered hotlinks and bookmarks I pulled up myself, were from the apple marketplace. I couldn't really do anything more than I can on a mobile device, and it runs just like a mobile device... I'd be pissed!
    I didn't want them to read my mind, I wanted them t read the general population's minds. That's their job as marketing experts and ergonomic designers, to look at what people want, in a broad sense, and try to get there.
    Windows 8 does not do this! In fact, from the mobile device, windows 8 is a step down in OS. At least on my phone I have a plethora of settings and options to change what I will. I feel like they really did just plug a mobile device OS onto my computer, not changing much to make it computer friendly, and charged me $40 for it!
    It's not me being naive and thinking they can read my mind, no, it's what I've come to expect from Microsoft. Where's the cutting edge? Where's the innovation? Where's the out of the box thinking that I paid for with Windows 8? I don't see it... and I'm willing to bet that a high percentage of consumers won't either.
    See... making something new and different is good if it works well, if it improves on the predecessor, and if it is generally more efficient at doing what it's predecessor did. Windows 8 is none of these things.
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  9. #29


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    I'm not confusing apps with static tiles, such as bookmarks.
    Really? Then why did you complain that when you added the facebook bookmark it didn't have notifications on it? That seems to indicate you thought that linking a bookmark should make it a live tile with updates. But that can't work. You need an app to get live updates.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    My windows phone can add google to the start screen. In which case it pins a google logo to the start screen, and opens into the search bar nicely. It doesn't just put an internet explorer link there!! Don't you see what I'm trying to convey here? I was able to make bookmarks and pin them to my desktop when I was 12! By now I should be able to do so much more, especially when everything is about tiles!
    And that's exactly what Windows 8 does when you click the Add to Start Menu command in IE. It gives you an icon that's been customized by the site. Geez, come on... Why do you keep complaining about things the OS can in fact do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    Windows 7 was getting to the point where you could manipulate and work a program without even having it on the screen, but just by hovering your mouse over it on the task bar. The menu would pop up asking you what you'd like to do with said application. Windows 8 is taking 3,000 steps BACKWARDS and making it completely un-user friendly, and so that you have to open everything to try and glean the settings and options from it.
    Windows 8 has not removed any of that functionality. It's still there if an app chooses to support it. Lots of apps do, such as Windows Media Player. WHY are you screaming that it can't do things that it can.
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  10. #30


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    Dude look... if I went out tomorrow and spent money on a new mac, because I'm a fan of the phones, and when it arived it's screen looked like this:
    That's just it. Apple *IS* in fact going to be doing that. They are merging MacOS and iOS. It may take a few more years, but the two will eventually become the same, just like Microsoft is doing. Google is expanding Android to PC's with ChromeOS. Again, all the major competitors are moving to unify their interfaces.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    And the only apps I could really get on it, other than butchered hotlinks and bookmarks I pulled up myself, were from the apple marketplace. I couldn't really do anything more than I can on a mobile device, and it runs just like a mobile device... I'd be pissed!
    Well, you're going to be pissed then. Because that's exactly where Apple is moving to.

    But that argument is BS anyways, because Windows 8 doesn't force you to only use Windows Store apps. So that argument is completely bogus. And the OS does exactly the same as a mobile device because Microsoft has made mobile devices so much more powerful with this release.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    I didn't want them to read my mind, I wanted them t read the general population's minds.
    Regardless, you want them to read peoples minds. That's not practical. And consider this. More people access the internet from a mobile device than all the computers ever sold, through history, combined.

    Most people will only own a mobile device in a few years time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    Windows 8 does not do this! In fact, from the mobile device, windows 8 is a step down in OS. At least on my phone I have a plethora of settings and options to change what I will.
    All I can say is a) you are basing your claims on a broken version of Windows. and b) Not living in any reality I am aware of. There is no OS on the market with more options than Windows has. Can you run Office on non-Windows 8 phone? No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    I feel like they really did just plug a mobile device OS onto my computer, not changing much to make it computer friendly, and charged me $40 for it!
    You can feel whatever you want, that doesn't make it true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    It's not me being naive and thinking they can read my mind, no, it's what I've come to expect from Microsoft. Where's the cutting edge? Where's the innovation? Where's the out of the box thinking that I paid for with Windows 8? I don't see it... and I'm willing to bet that a high percentage of consumers won't either.
    What you've come to expect from Microsoft? Really? Are you SURE you're not from an alternate reality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    See... making something new and different is good if it works well, if it improves on the predecessor, and if it is generally more efficient at doing what it's predecessor did. Windows 8 is none of these things.
    Windows 8 does virtually everything Windows 7 did. *AND* you have Metro on top of it. So your comments are completely baseless.
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