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Windows 8 thoughts & opinions: incomplete?

  1. #11


    Posts : 76
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    You don't own a phone or tablet *TODAY*, but I guarantee you probably will own some kind of smartphone or tablet within a few years. And even if you don't, you will be in a VERY small minority of people. You can't seriously expect MS to target their OS entirely at a small minority of its users, can you?
    When did I say I didn't own a tablet or smartphone at all? I said I do not own a Windows tablet or Windows phone. Just because I do not own a Windows tablet/phone but still use Windows on my home PC I'm in a minority? Aren't we deluded if we assume that everyone wanting to run Windows on their PC will also buy a Surface or Windows Phone. I'd be willing to bet that the number of people running Windows on a home PC and/or corporate PCs but not owning a Windows mobile device would be in the MAJORITY, so yes they should target the PC operating system differently. If you seriously think the Surface or Windows phones are going to take over the mobile world, I just don't even...

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  2. #12


    Posts : 28
    Windows 7 ultimate


    So basically they dummed down the OS to make it like the phone and RT versions?
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  3. #13


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    I'd love to respond to your messages, but figuring my is was an old build, I decided to update it, as the updater told me I had some pending. Now I'm staring at the windows splash screen as it "diagnoses my PC" after crashing several times on startup.
    If I knew how to clean install I would have, but all Microsoft would tell me is to run the updater installer, which I needed to do a whole bunch of work to get that going too.
    I'm sure there's a tutorial on this site for doing a clean install, and if there's not, I'm sure someone will make one soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    So basically they dummed down the OS to make it like the phone and RT versions?
    No. You're not quite understanding. Metro is a *NEW*, totally different OS that runs along side the old Win32 OS. They didn't "drum it down" because it's brand new. As all software does, it can't have everything at once. It will grow over time. It's just the first steps.

    The journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.
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  4. #14


    Posts : 28
    Windows 7 ultimate


    An hour later, still stuck on the splash screen diagnosing pc. Think it's time to reinstall .
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  5. #15


    Posts : 76
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    I'd love to respond to your messages, but figuring my is was an old build, I decided to update it, as the updater told me I had some pending. Now I'm staring at the windows splash screen as it "diagnoses my PC" after crashing several times on startup.
    If I knew how to clean install I would have, but all Microsoft would tell me is to run the updater installer, which I needed to do a whole bunch of work to get that going too.
    I'm sure there's a tutorial on this site for doing a clean install, and if there's not, I'm sure someone will make one soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    So basically they dummed down the OS to make it like the phone and RT versions?
    No. You're not quite understanding. Metro is a *NEW*, totally different OS that runs along side the old Win32 OS. They didn't "drum it down" because it's brand new. As all software does, it can't have everything at once. It will grow over time. It's just the first steps.

    The journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

    The updater app should've given you the option to download the OS as an ISO. If it did not or you skipped past it, launch the new shortcut that it created called "Download Windows 8" and redownload it as an ISO, once you have the ISO use something like WinISO to burn the ISO to disk and make it a bootable disc.

    Then boot with your disc in the drive, it'll start the install process. Choose custom install and when it asks you where to install it and shows your list of physical harddrive, highlight your current system partition and choose Format. Then select this partition as the one to install it on. Clean install, as simple as that.

    And yes, they dumbed down the desktop part of the OS and added an even more dumbed down "Metro" start screen. Then, inlcuded a bunch of animations and live updates to the tiles to try to add that cool factor.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 28
    Windows 7 ultimate


    Operating systems have been able to handle tens of programs, all running at the same time, for years. Phones on the other hand have the ability to only really run one, and you have to close out of that one to open another. When IOS 4.0 was released you could tab between open windows on the iPhone 3gs> And that is all that this operating system is. You can tab between open windows, but not have both open together.
    I was countered in that Youtube stops once minimized, because "it's a video streaming site, why would you want to stream video minimized". Now although this is a really bad answer, and most of Youtube is music, here's another example. Open a streaming radio station or music media, then open the start menu. Your music will stop. So I'm forced to either download a radio app (which some of my internet sites don't have apps for) or use Zune.
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  7. #17


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    Operating systems have been able to handle tens of programs, all running at the same time, for years. Phones on the other hand have the ability to only really run one, and you have to close out of that one to open another. When IOS 4.0 was released you could tab between open windows on the iPhone 3gs> And that is all that this operating system is. You can tab between open windows, but not have both open together.
    iOS 4 allows you to switch apps, but the majority of them do the same thing. They are suspended when they are not the active app. Like Windows 8, some apps can be written to use a special background API, but by default apps are suspended. I'm pretty sure Youtube on iOS also suspends when you switch to a different app.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    I was countered in that Youtube stops once minimized, because "it's a video streaming site, why would you want to stream video minimized". Now although this is a really bad answer, and most of Youtube is music, here's another example. Open a streaming radio station or music media, then open the start menu. Your music will stop. So I'm forced to either download a radio app (which some of my internet sites don't have apps for) or use Zune.
    Youtube is a video streaming site that just so happens to play audio. It's designed to WATCH movies, not listen to music. Lots of people have uploaded music, but they have to attach video to it in order to do that.

    I have heard others talk about radio apps stopping when opening the start menu. I do not have that problem. I think it's also related to your broken install.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 28
    Windows 7 ultimate


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post


    When has right clicking on your icon for Chrome ever allowed you to change its settings? IE works that way (if you are pointing to a guid based link rather than just a traditional shortcut link), but I've never seen any other apps do that. Can you explain why you would think it would work this way?


    It hasn't ever worked before, but I haven't ever had tiles before. I wanted to get into the tile options, and perhaps change the tile settings. Tile settings is vital to me, and vital to this OS even being successful I have a Facebook tile right now that is a chrome bookmark. I can't change it to a Facebook tile logo, I can't make it a smart tile, I can't do anything with it other than unpin it. That was my problem with the lack of options in this.
    The Zune tile doesn't have buttons, even when you make it bigger, so you have to reopen Zune to pause or skip music. On Windows 7 hovering over the icon in the taskbar would allow you to do so. Not in 8.

    The way I want it to work is this: Go to a file or folder in Windows, right click it, go to properties. You can change the appearance and some qualities and properties of said file. With tiles you can't. You can't even change the color, they are what they are. From the worlds "most customizable and personal" start screen that's pretty abysmal.
    So when I talk about not being able to pin things to the start screen that's what I mean. Being able to do so how I want, and make them the way they want. I could have bookmarks in 7, vista, xp..... It's 2012, come on Microsoft. The iPhone facebook app has push notifications which allerts you when you get a status update or message, changing the logo to include a counter of notifications. Very simple live tile that keeps you up to date and you can know information about it at a glance. The Windows phone facebook app does not have this and Windows 8 doesn't even have a facebook app.... The only somewhat interactive tiles I've seen so far is the weather. This OS is supposed to be tile based, make it so!
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  9. #19


    Posts : 28
    Windows 7 ultimate


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post

    iOS 4 allows you to switch apps, but the majority of them do the same thing. They are suspended when they are not the active app. Like Windows 8, some apps can be written to use a special background API, but by default apps are suspended. I'm pretty sure Youtube on iOS also suspends when you switch to a different app.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayoneseven View Post
    I was countered in that Youtube stops once minimized, because "it's a video streaming site, why would you want to stream video minimized". Now although this is a really bad answer, and most of Youtube is music, here's another example. Open a streaming radio station or music media, then open the start menu. Your music will stop. So I'm forced to either download a radio app (which some of my internet sites don't have apps for) or use Zune.
    Precisely, that technology is 3 years old on handheld devices. My PC should be able to do more, and can do more on any other Operating System. I don't want my apps suspended, if i didn't want them running I'd close them. My probelm isn't really that youtube specifically halts when minimized, it's the entire mechanism that makes it so, that will do the same for any other browser streaming media.

    Also I'm not talking about radio apps, I don't want "apps" I want my browser to work as it should. Go to google, type in "internet radio" tune in, then home out, it will stop. Like I said a lot of the radio stations I listen to don't have apps, they aren't that big! And the last time I checked the windows marketplace on my phone it was still growing slowly, that's the bullet you bite when going to Windows phones, but relying upon that entirely for internet radio would be a sad experience.
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  10. #20

    GoodBye IPad, HoneyComb and Laptop, Hello Windows 8 Pro Slate.


    It seems like it was just yesterday when I was so happy to be the owner of a 64 GB apple IPad, an Apple MacBook pro and a 64 GB apple iPhone. However, as most tech savvy individuals will attest, owning any of these devices makes one thing abundantly clear; apple products are not for the technically inclined. The best way I can explain this is with analogy. Itís like being a surgeon and being handed a butter knife to perform a surgical task. Itís like being a soldier on a battlefield and being handed a slingshot to defend oneself. The feeling can only be described as a lacking of options, possibilities, and flexibility with a foreboding yet a subdued sense of restriction.
    Fast-forward 18 months a Samsung Galaxy Tab2 7 inch, an Asus Transformer TF300t and now I am the proud owner of the Samsung Series 7 Slate running Windows8 Professional on a power sipping Intel i5 processor with 4 GB of Ram. The device uniquely covers both the needs of a laptop as well as a tablet. The Modern (previously Metro) interface allows the user a functionality best described as a casual one. A functionality and interface that appear to be perfectly adapted for use on the go, on the train, on a plane, in a cab, in the park or at the local coffee shop, Library or Cyber Cafť. Tasks can be performed with the touch or swipe of the finger, all, unbelievably, with the simplicity of the IPad OS but with the elegance, power and flexibility of the Android OS. This symbiosis of characteristics had to be intentional on the part of Microsoft engineers because the interface works so cleanly , all while the desktop offers the user the familiar interface and full-fledged applications we have all come to know and love for sit down productivity sessions.
    The Microsoft Apps market, like the Android and Apple Markets, provide the user with the casual apps one would need for things like weather, news, sport highlights and gaming.
    The two environments function as one to a point where they flow together in a way that forces one to forget that the OS is still just Windows. The user is engulfed by the experience once the learning curve has been achieved.

    Advanced functionality is now just a right click or a press and hold away. Goodbye Tablet and laptop, hello Windows 8 Slate. I am pleasantly pleased and abundantly surprised to be able to say that THIS Windows Iteration Really, Really Just works and works well, very well. 10 points Microsoft and welcome back to excellence..
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