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Windows 8 thoughts & opinions: incomplete?

  1. #111


    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    M$ may not see thees forums but there customers do. I have also told most of my friends that were planing to down grade to windows 8 to stick with Windows 7 and that is the only thing that M$ understands is $$$$. So my one big vote has cost M$ more than 30 big votes.
    Yes, that's what companies understand -> $$$

    That's why they're in business -> To make $$$

    I'll see your 30 and raise you....let's see.....

    My 10 other siblings with spouses = 20
    My children + nieces and nephews = 38
    Their spouses/significant others = 29
    My grandchildren and grand nieces and nephews = 41
    My cousins and their children = roughly 50
    Friends I have in the veterans club I belong to = roughly 40
    I have at least 20 other friends = 20
    Total = 238

    I'll raise you 208

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  2. #112


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Looks as though they have you, Ray. You voted yes as well.

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    I've always admitted that I bought x2 copies, future proofing when I could get it for $15. Nor do I dislike Windows 8, but I'm waiting for it to improve and become the OS it should have been from the outset. That gives me the right to praise and criticise to my heart's content.
    You mean the OS you think it should have been from the outset. It's perfectly fine the way MS created it and intended it to be.

    Perhaps a 9 will suit your desires. Time will tell.
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  3. #113


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Looks as though they have you, Ray. You voted yes as well.

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    Windows Vista x32
    Windows 7 x32/x64
    Windows 8 x64
    Linux Mint
    I've always admitted that I bought x2 copies, future proofing when I could get it for $15. Nor do I dislike Windows 8, but I'm waiting for it to improve and become the OS it should have been from the outset. That gives me the right to praise and criticise to my heart's content.
    I wonder about you sometimes Ray, was Android the OS, it should have been from the outset, was Linux, was OS X and IOS. I wish it could fly me to the moon and maybe one day it will, but at the moment it will just evolve like everything else.

    I think anyone talking their friends out of Windows 8 is doing them a huge disservice, just for the price alone. It's so much faster its just not funny, especially if you just leave everything running. Just thinking of going back to Windows 7 gives me a headache, even after the problem I had with Microsoft yesterday.
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  4. #114


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
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    You mean the OS you think it should have been from the outset.
    I'm in good company when it comes to what I think the OS should have been, or have delivered, to be more precise.

    It's perfectly fine the way MS created it and intended it to be.

    Perhaps a 9 will suit your desires. Time will tell.
    So many things are created and seen as being fine by the creators, yet the market sees things differently. That sends the creators back to the drawing board to deliver what the market actually wants, not what the creator thinks the market wants.
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  5. #115


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I wonder about you sometimes Ray, was Android the OS, it should have been from the outset, was Linux, was OS X and IOS. I wish it could fly me to the moon and maybe one day it will, but at the moment it will just evolve like everything else.

    I think anyone talking their friends out of Windows 8 is doing them a huge disservice, just for the price alone. It's so much faster its just not funny, especially if you just leave everything running. Just thinking of going back to Windows 7 gives me a headache, even after the problem I had with Microsoft yesterday.
    I can't comment on Android or OSX/iOS, as I've never used any of them and not really even seen them used. As for Linux, I've tried versions of Ubuntu since around 9 or 10 and not liked them one bit. The latest Unity interface is as bad as the Windows 8 start menu for power users. I have Linux Mint on my Fujitsu P1610 for learning purposes, it's a lot better than Ubuntu.

    Windows has been evolving for decades, with its hits and misses, and Windows 7 has been universally lauded across the board as the best OS Microsoft has ever produced. Windows 8 built on that, but then decided to snub their noses at legions of their loyal userbase, by forcing on them an interface that didn't suit so many. There's no point in saying you find it great, there is enough evidence that many don't.

    There was no need for users to start looking for ways to access what they knew and liked, but Microsoft thought they knew better than anyone else what people actually wanted. Remember Coke and their New Coke or whatever it was they introduced some years back, dropping the traditional Coke? What a backlash that received and the embarrassment to Coke and its marketing team. We had a similar incident here with a particular beer, the most popular beer in Australia, and the change was not well received. The company came back recently saying they have listened and have returned to the old formula. How embarrassing.

    Also, Windows 8 has had an introductory price to maximise sales figures; that will change fairly shortly apparently and most likely revert to traditional pricing levels, or something that will effectively be the same. And Windows 8 is not faster on my PC, not by a long shot. So again, what works for you, doesn't work for everyone. If you don't like criticism levelled at Windows 8, ignore the posts or, as we say in Australia, 'Eat some concrete and harden up.'
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  6. #116


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    And since you have me on my soapbox, why did Microsoft insist that Windows 8 apps could only work with a minimum resolution of 1024 x 768, not 1024 x 600, which was the most common tablet resolution to date? We already know that the RT was deliberately hobbled and did in fact have the potential to run Windows programs.

    So was the resolution requirement based on the same marketing decision, to force people to buy new tablets, or what? The start menu displayed perfectly on my tablet at the native 1024 x 600 resolution, but would not work until I increased the resolution to 1024 x 768, which made the desktop look awful.

    So what was potentially an interesting new OS for my tablet, turned out to be a waste of time. I don't for one moment believe that the resolution issue was a technical one, but a marketing one. Ask me to prove that and I'll tell you to go jump.
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  7. #117


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    We already know that the RT was deliberately hobbled and did in fact have the potential to run Windows programs.
    It's not potential. It *DOES* run Windows programs. It's not "hobbled" in any way from running Windows programs. I think you meant to say Win32 programs, but that's not correct either as it *DOES* run Win32 programs. Office is such a program, as are things like File Explorer, Notepad, etc... What it does not do, and never will do, is run x86/x64 Win32 apps (the processor just isn't powerful enough, and RT devices don't usually have enough memory for virtualization).

    There's nothing "potential" about RT's ability to run Win32 programs, they just have to be compiled for ARM. And that's where the rub is, since there isn't currently a publicly available ARM compiler for Win32. It's quite possible we will see gcc or mingw ported to support ARM PE/Win32 apps, in which case programs will be able to be recompiled and run. Whether or not Microsoft ever makes their compiler available is also up in the air.

    In other words, the lack of available ARM apps does not mean the OS can't run ARM apps if they were available, and thus the OS is not "hobbled"
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  9. #119


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    You mean the OS you think it should have been from the outset.
    I'm in good company when it comes to what I think the OS should have been, or have delivered, to be more precise.
    Yes. Ducks fly with ducks and they quack a lot.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    It's perfectly fine the way MS created it and intended it to be.

    Perhaps a 9 will suit your desires. Time will tell.
    So many things are created and seen as being fine by the creators, yet the market sees things differently. That sends the creators back to the drawing board to deliver what the market actually wants, not what the creator thinks the market wants.
    Yes again! You're on a roll, Ray! That's why MS went back to the drawing boards after 7 to create 8 because the market is demanding it. If you ever bought a touch device, you participated and added to the "touch device" market. Again, 8 is perfectly fine the way MS created it and intended it to be. And yet again, perhaps a 9 will suit your desires.
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  10. #120


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Yes. Ducks fly with ducks and they quack a lot.

    Yes again! You're on a roll, Ray! That's why MS went back to the drawing boards after 7 to create 8 because the market is demanding it. If you ever bought a touch device, you participated and added to the "touch device" market. Again, 8 is perfectly fine the way MS created it and intended it to be. And yet again, perhaps a 9 will suit your desires.
    I thought that you at least wouldn't resort to insults. Nerves are clearly being touched.

    But which market? I bought a tablet that was touch enabled, but touch wasn't a priority and is a vey low use function for me. I bought the tablet for functionality that the tablet form-factor provided and the fact that it was a full blown PC able to mirror my desktop. That's also why it has a wireless mouse and USB keyboard case. I've used laptops/notebooks for years, but I much prefer the form-factor of the tablet and the current setup is excellent.

    While some may think Windows 8 is perfectly fine, it simply isn't for many users. If you know what Windows 9 will bring, and when, please enlighten the great unwashed.
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